Difference between Summar, Summarit et Elmar

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  1. Rolleistef

    Rolleistef TPF Noob!

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    Hello,
    I'd like to know whether somobody knows the difference between these Leitz lenses.
    I've also heard the Elmar are much better than than the two previous.
    What difference could it have with the two others?
    thanks a lot,
    stephane
     
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    Leitz lens names are based on the widest aperture
    and lens designs

    the Summars (f2) are pretty old designs with coatings (maybe without?)
    that don't hold up to the newer, better coated lenses - many people like
    the 'glow' tho. Summarits are f1.5 lenses, same for the coatings.
    These lenses are screwmount lenses

    the Elmar = f2.8 design is something between the older and newer lenses
    and can be found in screwmount and M mount (still available new!)
    the quality is good - but at f2.8 too slow for a Leica IMO

    modern stuff, M mount:
    Noctilux = f1.0 (!) pretty new design, modern coatings
    Summilux = f1.4 pretty new design, modern coatings
    Summicron = f2.0 pretty new, modern coatings

    it gets more confusing tho - all these lenses are available in different
    'versions' that may have a slightly different 'look' due to design changes
    (I mean the look of the pictures). You can save a load of money going
    with an older, previous version and still get Leica quality...

    side note: one can mount screw mount lenses via adapter on an M camera,
    but not vice versa...
     
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    ok thanks,
    but I was talking about the old ones, the screw mounted oldies for Leica III.
    If anybody's using some?...
     
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    ok, thanks doxx
    bonne soirée
     
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    I am using a Summitar and it's very decent quality (well, trying to define the Leica quality here), better than the Summar. The Summars were pretty soft and regarded to be lenses of the 'lower end'. On top of that I am just finishing a roll taken with an old 50/3.5 Elmar. From what I heard and read, it's a very good quality lens, as I would expect out of Leica (save for the Summar...:wink: ). Both of the above lenses are 50mm. I also have a 90/4 Elmar which is a very nice portrait lens. If you're really interested in saving money yet shooting with a great lens I would look into the newer Voigtlander lenses. I use an almost new 35/2.5 Skopar on one of the Leica bodies and I'm very pleased with it.

    Are you looking into buying a Leitz lens for your Leica III?
     
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    Mitica100 Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

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    Oh, I almost forgot:

    Summar= 50/2 Collapsible
    Summitar= 50/2 Collapsible
    Summarit= 50/1.5 Collapsible
    Elmar= 50/2.8 (best 50mm IMHO, outside Summicron)
    Elmar= 50/3.5 Collapsible
    Summicron= 50/2 (best 50mm IMHO)

    I hope this makes sense...
     
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    There were 2.8 screw mounts elmar? :confused: Never heard of it
    I'm actually looking for a IIIf and a lense for it, and maybe i'd find a decent one on ebay.
    I'll see whether I can then find a Summicron which looks fantastic, but I have to earn for it, my high-school student manifolder is not so full....
    Maybe I would first use a soviet lense before.
     
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    Yes, there were many lenses made for SM and one was the Elmar 50/2.8. Here is a list of the major lenses made for SM Leicas:

    21mm/4 Super Angulon
    28mm/6.3 Hektor
    28mm/5.6 Summaron
    33mm/3.5 Stemar (very rare)
    35mm/3.5 Elmar
    35mm/3.5 Summaron
    35mm/2.8 Summaron
    35mm/2 Summicron
    50mm/3.5 Elmar
    50mm/2.5 Hektor
    50mm/2 Summar
    50mm/2 Rigid Summar (rare)
    50mm/1.5 Xenon
    50mm/2 Summitar
    50mm/1.5 Summarit
    50mm/3.5 Wollensak (NY)
    50mm/2 Summicron
    50mm/2 Rigid Summicron
    50mm/2 Compur Summicron

    50mm/2.8 Elmar:
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    50mm/1.4 Summilux
    65mm/3.5 Elmar
    73/1.9 Hektor
    85mm/1.5 Summarex
    90mm/2 Summicron
    90mm/4.5 Wollensak (NY)
    90mm/4 Elmar
    90mm/2.2 Thambar
    105mm/6.3 Mountain Elmar
    125mm/2.5 Hektor
    127mm/4.5 Wollensak (NY)
    135mm/4.5 Elmar
    135mm/4.5 Hektor
    135mm/4 Elmar
    180mm/2.8 Tele-Elmarit
    200mm/4.5 Telyt
    280mm/4.8 Telyt
    400mm/5 Telyt


    There were many other lenses made primarily by Japanese makers, such as Canon, Nikon, Minolta and so on. Russian lenses are copies of the Leitz lenses above and they are decent at a fraction of the cost.
     

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