dodging and burning?

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  1. MACollum

    MACollum TPF Noob!

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    Let me start by saying that I know what they do, but those of you who use those tools (some say it's "bad" to use them), what do you use them for, specifically. I'm intrigued by the possibilities but can't figure out what I would use them for. I did use the dodge tool to lighten a dark shadow on a face once, and with a resonable result.
     
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    dodge to lighten
    Burn to darken

    That's it really. On their own, the could be called 'destructive' tools in photoshop...because they change the image. That's why I prefer to use them on a separate layer.
     
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    I have a digital darkroom not photoshop so i dont do layers but i use the brush to lighten and darken a lot more than faces.. Most photographs have to be an average light source. Some areas will be darker than you like and some lighter. the burn and dodge tools allow me to even it out somewhat. You must use it very cautiously though.
     
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    I sometimes use burn to give people a bit of color/tan if they look a bit white and bright, it's a great tool for boosting a healthy look into them and can look quite natural if done right :)
     
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    I don't understand why people would say it's "bad" to use them. All the great photographer's use, and have used, burning and dodging. It's not just a digital trick, it was developed in traditional dark rooms. You give some of the photo paper more exposure to light than other bits to enhance an image.
    Anybody that says it's "bad" to use these techniques cannot understand a whole lot about darkroom techniques (traditional and modern).
     
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    It's bad to use them in photoshop because they degrade the image by changing the pixels. Most people don't understand how to use them without degrading the image.

    New layer, fill with 50% gray, set blend mode to soft light, and dodge and burn away. Non destructive.
     
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    It doesn't "harm" the original pixel, but I think it can still make two different adjacent pixels the same color in the end. This is how I've seen the term "destructive" sometimes used. You can go back and change your mind, but in the print, you'll still have killed the difference between the pixels. After I learned about this, I started using masked layers and curves. The way I understand it, curves will not make two pixels the same color unless you have a flat ramp. As long as there is an incline to it, you can keep detail in the area you are working in.
     
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    Arch Damn You! Staff Member Supporting Member

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    +1 :thumbup:
     
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    Matt.....I tried using your instructions, but without results.

    What am I doing wrong?????

    Paul
     
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    Paul, there's no real way I can answer that without seeing what you did over your shoulder. Try it again, carefully.
     
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    Right.....in the meantime I found a "button" for fill with 50% gray at the bottom of the layer>new dialog box.

    Thanks, Paul
     
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    Yes, do that, and click ok. Then set the blend mode on the top left of the layers pallete to "soft light", and dodge and burn on that layer.
     

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