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Thank you Torus34 and Dwig! (And thank you Dwig for answering my first post a couple of days ago.)
The plot thickens a little bit tonight, because my mother found a box with some color negatives of images that match the slides & the prints. But first...
My cardboard slide mounts are in excellent, like-new, mint condition. If they were baseball cards and if I were a collector of baseball cards (but I'm not), I would rate them as being in super-fine, pristine, C10 condition. The Kodak wording on my early slide mounts (1955-57) are printed in red ink with a red border on the emulsion side, (which I must say was a smart thing to do because the color red can serve as a reminder that you are looking at the emulsion side and the image in reverse). The other side only has "Made in U.S.A." and a little red number in the top corner BUT NO MONTH or DATE, just the little red number which was (as I have now been informed) printed by the processing lab. My early slides (again 1955-57) also do not have the date embossed into the cardboard. My slides from 1958 to around 1963 +/- are in plain white cardboard and have "Kodachrome Transparency" and "Processed by Kodak" in red ink on the emulsion side with the word Kodak printed on a yellow background in the bottom right corner. On the shiny side the month & date are embossed into the cardboard and the number & "Made in U.S.A." are in red ink. My slides from the mid-1960s are in plain white cardboard with "Color Transparency" & "This side toward screen" on the emulsion side and a number and month/date on the shiny side, both printed in red ink (and they are Kodachromes too).
My dating issues are only with the slides from 1955 and the first six months of 1956. And tonight the story thickens. So here's a little more background. In addition to my Kodachromes, I have about 15 Ektachrome slides from that time period. Those slides have "Ektachrome Transparency" printed in blue ink with a broken-slanted-line blue border on the emulsion side. On the shiny side there is just "Made in U.S.A." with no numbers or anything else. All of the Ektachrome images have turned red and have washed out the remaining colors. Some of the paper prints were from the Ektachrome slides, but most were from the Kodachromes. Even on the paper prints, you can tell which ones were Ektachromes, because the images are a little bit blurrier and the colors a little less saturated. On the back of the paper prints, there is printed in very light black ink "C 419" and absolutely nothing else. We have a receipt for half of the prints from a drugstore dated July 1961, but that drugstore did not do the processing ; it was done somewhere else. We don't have the receipt for the other half of the prints.
Tonight my mother found a box with the color negatives of all the paper prints, several dozen! There are 3 images on each strip of negative film. On several negatives, there is a Kodachrome image right next to an Ektachrome image. Then I found some with a photo taken in 1955 right next to one taken in March 1956 (a known date due to when my siblings were born and you can't change the date of birth!) followed by one taken in 1955 again. Another negative has 2 Kodachromes next to one Ektachrome and so on. Just to be extra super clear as to what I'm referring to: I have the slides, I'm scanning the slides, and the images in the slides are the exact images in the color paper prints and in the negatives, some of which came from Ektachrome slides and most of which came from Kodachrome slides.
I did a Google search and read part of some page that said to make prints from slides, you first made something called an inter-negative. Then from that inter-negative, you made your paper print. So I am now assuming that I have found the internegatives from which these paper prints were made, because what the heck else could they be since I have the original slide transparencies? These negatives look like they have turned a little red due to age when I compare them to some negatives I have of some color print film from the year 2008.
One other bit of forensic information AND THIS MAY BE KEY. One and just one Kodachrome slide was taken by a neighbor months before my father bought a camera and made the rest of the slides I am working with. That particular Kodachrome was put into a "Kodak Ready-Mount" cardboard slide mount. It was not put into the mount straight at all. It was so crooked the sprocket holes of the film were visible on the bottom left. So a week ago, I pried that mount apart and straightened out the film and re-glued the cardboard shut with Elmers glue. All is well now with that particular Kodachrome. BUT WAIT! When I found the paper print of that particular slide tonight, the printed image is also crooked and you can see the sprocket holes in the same bottom left corner. So at least for that one slide, I have proof that the paper print image was made from the slide without tearing it apart.
So all I can tell you folks now is that I have a bunch of color negatives of images that came from Kodachrome and Ektachrome slides from 1955 through 1957 and in 1961 some color negatives were made and some low-quality paper prints were made. My mother thinks (incorrectly I hope) that the slides were removed from their mounts to make the prints, yet I have one paper print & slide that says "NO WAY." I don't know for certain and that's the whole point of this Posting.
Based on what Dwig has said, along with what I just read tonight about internegatives, I would like to believe that these prints were made by making some internegatives and those internegatives were made without tearing apart the slide mounts. Then from those negatives, the paper prints were made.
Now is that how it was done in the late 1950's and early 60s?
Thank you for reading through this and helping me out.
Kind Regards again to all.
John
The plot thickens a little bit tonight, because my mother found a box with some color negatives of images that match the slides & the prints. But first...
My cardboard slide mounts are in excellent, like-new, mint condition. If they were baseball cards and if I were a collector of baseball cards (but I'm not), I would rate them as being in super-fine, pristine, C10 condition. The Kodak wording on my early slide mounts (1955-57) are printed in red ink with a red border on the emulsion side, (which I must say was a smart thing to do because the color red can serve as a reminder that you are looking at the emulsion side and the image in reverse). The other side only has "Made in U.S.A." and a little red number in the top corner BUT NO MONTH or DATE, just the little red number which was (as I have now been informed) printed by the processing lab. My early slides (again 1955-57) also do not have the date embossed into the cardboard. My slides from 1958 to around 1963 +/- are in plain white cardboard and have "Kodachrome Transparency" and "Processed by Kodak" in red ink on the emulsion side with the word Kodak printed on a yellow background in the bottom right corner. On the shiny side the month & date are embossed into the cardboard and the number & "Made in U.S.A." are in red ink. My slides from the mid-1960s are in plain white cardboard with "Color Transparency" & "This side toward screen" on the emulsion side and a number and month/date on the shiny side, both printed in red ink (and they are Kodachromes too).
My dating issues are only with the slides from 1955 and the first six months of 1956. And tonight the story thickens. So here's a little more background. In addition to my Kodachromes, I have about 15 Ektachrome slides from that time period. Those slides have "Ektachrome Transparency" printed in blue ink with a broken-slanted-line blue border on the emulsion side. On the shiny side there is just "Made in U.S.A." with no numbers or anything else. All of the Ektachrome images have turned red and have washed out the remaining colors. Some of the paper prints were from the Ektachrome slides, but most were from the Kodachromes. Even on the paper prints, you can tell which ones were Ektachromes, because the images are a little bit blurrier and the colors a little less saturated. On the back of the paper prints, there is printed in very light black ink "C 419" and absolutely nothing else. We have a receipt for half of the prints from a drugstore dated July 1961, but that drugstore did not do the processing ; it was done somewhere else. We don't have the receipt for the other half of the prints.
Tonight my mother found a box with the color negatives of all the paper prints, several dozen! There are 3 images on each strip of negative film. On several negatives, there is a Kodachrome image right next to an Ektachrome image. Then I found some with a photo taken in 1955 right next to one taken in March 1956 (a known date due to when my siblings were born and you can't change the date of birth!) followed by one taken in 1955 again. Another negative has 2 Kodachromes next to one Ektachrome and so on. Just to be extra super clear as to what I'm referring to: I have the slides, I'm scanning the slides, and the images in the slides are the exact images in the color paper prints and in the negatives, some of which came from Ektachrome slides and most of which came from Kodachrome slides.
I did a Google search and read part of some page that said to make prints from slides, you first made something called an inter-negative. Then from that inter-negative, you made your paper print. So I am now assuming that I have found the internegatives from which these paper prints were made, because what the heck else could they be since I have the original slide transparencies? These negatives look like they have turned a little red due to age when I compare them to some negatives I have of some color print film from the year 2008.
One other bit of forensic information AND THIS MAY BE KEY. One and just one Kodachrome slide was taken by a neighbor months before my father bought a camera and made the rest of the slides I am working with. That particular Kodachrome was put into a "Kodak Ready-Mount" cardboard slide mount. It was not put into the mount straight at all. It was so crooked the sprocket holes of the film were visible on the bottom left. So a week ago, I pried that mount apart and straightened out the film and re-glued the cardboard shut with Elmers glue. All is well now with that particular Kodachrome. BUT WAIT! When I found the paper print of that particular slide tonight, the printed image is also crooked and you can see the sprocket holes in the same bottom left corner. So at least for that one slide, I have proof that the paper print image was made from the slide without tearing it apart.
So all I can tell you folks now is that I have a bunch of color negatives of images that came from Kodachrome and Ektachrome slides from 1955 through 1957 and in 1961 some color negatives were made and some low-quality paper prints were made. My mother thinks (incorrectly I hope) that the slides were removed from their mounts to make the prints, yet I have one paper print & slide that says "NO WAY." I don't know for certain and that's the whole point of this Posting.
Based on what Dwig has said, along with what I just read tonight about internegatives, I would like to believe that these prints were made by making some internegatives and those internegatives were made without tearing apart the slide mounts. Then from those negatives, the paper prints were made.
Now is that how it was done in the late 1950's and early 60s?
Thank you for reading through this and helping me out.
Kind Regards again to all.
John