making b/w prints look, well, B&W!

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  1. Hair Bear

    Hair Bear TPF Noob!

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    I'm shooting 400iso film at the moment and having a good time with it.

    Dev and printed at local shop and onto CD

    The prints they give me are very blue in the cast and the scans are RGB

    I would like to get a print that looks like true B&W

    I have some prints here to compair and they look quite brown.

    I can get this look and feel in PS but have been unable to get it on the print

    Got any ideas?

    The print will be through a corner shop not my own printer.
     
  2. Torus34

    Torus34 No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    This may sound simplistic, but why not use Tri-X, an ISO 400 b&w film, and have it processed traditionally? The results will be 'true' b&w. If you wish, you can rig for development and contact printing yourself. You can then pick individual negatives for b&w enlargements.
     
  3. LaFoto

    LaFoto Just Corinna in real life Staff Member Supporting Member

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    My experience with C-41 b+w film has been similar, HairBear, the prints were no true b+w and when I scanned them, I got RGB-files that I had to "convert into b+w" in Photoshop. NOT what I had expected.

    The sad thing is that not even my prints from an Ilford HP5 400 film are truly black and white. I guess they scan the b+w film as well as the colour films all in the same process and no longer do real prints but prints from digitalized images. I find that highly annoying.

    But I don't have access to a darkroom so I haven't got a choice, I cannot make my own prints directly from film through an enlarger and all that. I must rely on what the big photo printing enterprises offer me :(.
     
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    What film were you using?

    Some types of B+W film are processed and printed through the same system as colour negatives - these can often end up with a bit of a colour cast (usually blue or brown), as they are not printed using 'true' black and white paper.
     
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    I really havn't got the space, time or money to set up at home.

    I'm having enough propblems keeping up with the scans and processing what I like etc.

    Printing my own would be cool if I could get all the smell and waste away from the house but for now its using the system i have.
     
  6. Hair Bear

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    I'm using Ilford XP2 400 and I'm sure its run through the same process as colour film. This is whats given it the blue tinge.
     
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    Random pic no crit just for example

    here is the processed image as I recive it
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    and with a bit of help
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    [​IMG]

    Its been desaturated and then some colour balance adjustment 10/0/-20

    I'm just fishing to find out if any of you have an optimum setting to get that from a neg print look.

    I'll just keep trying it and printing until I get there its just a long process!
     
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    On my screen, the first photo actually looks ok - maybe a little bit bluish, but no more so than printing on cold-toned paper. The second one is very very warm - almost sepia. Perhaps our monitors are calibrated differently.
     
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    Nah your montor's fine. The first one is b+w, second is sepia.
     
  10. Jennie

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    I use the XP2 all the time, I love it! I take it to a pro lab and they process it black and white. I find it has a nice dark contrast. If I take it to a local store they process it as clr. and it is a crap shoot what I get. With the pro lab I have never had a problem, they are always consistent.
     
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    Someone please correct me if I am wrong, I know too little about film and want to learn more :) My understanding is that XP2 can only be developed in C-41 chemicals. ?
     
  12. Hair Bear

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    Pushing me back to the orginal question as the second one is mirroring (on my monitor) the tone and look of hand made B/W prints I have.

    There must be an average setting to get this effect?
     

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