9 years ago today

[Dominantly]

P-3 are used mostly for electronic intelligence these days... Pretty vital role...

There are no subs left to hunt...

Have you read about the P-3's replacement? The P-8 (737)... NO overland surveillance capability... Huge negative to me...

I beg to differ

 

[Josh66]

Well, that's how the DoD sees it, apparently... I disagree also...

 

[Neil S.]

P-3 are used mostly for electronic intelligence these days... Pretty vital role...

There are no subs left to hunt...

Have you read about the P-3's replacement? The P-8 (737)... NO overland surveillance capability... Huge negative to me...

Ya I know a little about the P-8.

They could always add additional capabilities in the future. Thats what they did with the P-3.

 

[Josh66]

I know more than enough about the P-3, but I'm not going to talk about that here, lol.

I just can't believe that it's replacement doesn't have the (unmodified platform) capability for overland intel gathering...

 

[Neil S.]

I did operations for the P-3 for about 8 years in the Atlantic, Pacific, and especially the Middle East areas of responsibility.

I was Task Group Watch Officer qualified, and was trained to brief the aircrews on every little detail of their missions prior to departure. I have knowledge in all aspects of the P-3s capabilities.

OIIIIIIIO is right that hunting subs is not really a priority anymore, and that it has adopted more of a strictly surveillance/intelligence role.

Back in the 70s-80s, the P-3 was an extremely valuable asset because of its ability to hunt subs for long periods and over great distances. They also have the ability to kill, and they can carry torpedoes.

This was mostly because during the Cold War, the threat from subs was very great. Russia had a lot of them, and very advanced ones for the time.

Today though, the need to hunt, track, and kill subs is simply not a priority to the DOD. They are more concerned now with overland threats, and terrorism.

That’s not to say that the P-3 isn’t capable of this role, in fact it is. It’s just not something that it is used for a lot anymore.

Helicopters and ships are better at anti-submarine warfare by the way. The P-3 just brings great speed (in getting there), and long flight time into the equation, that’s what makes it a valuable ASW asset.

 

[CW Jones]

9 years ago I was in 7th grade I believe. They came over the loud speaker to say we were to all get packed up and ready to go home, that the country was in a state on emergency and everyone needed to go home asap.

I remember sitting around the living room with my whole family, even my father who is self-employed left work when he heard about it just watching on the TV.

I can remember the new reporters saying "stay inside, we are unsure if there are more planes still in the sky" and then the one came down in the empty field.

I always hoped I would never have to live through something and remember something like this.

 

[Dominantly]

I did operations for the P-3 for about 8 years in the Atlantic, Pacific, and especially the Middle East areas of responsibility.

I was Task Group Watch Officer qualified, and was trained to brief the aircrews on every little detail of their missions prior to departure. I have knowledge in all aspects of the P-3s capabilities.

OIIIIIIIO is right that hunting subs is not really a priority anymore, and that it has adopted more of a strictly surveillance/intelligence role.

Back in the 70s-80s, the P-3 was an extremely valuable asset because of its ability to hunt subs for long periods and over great distances. They also have the ability to kill, and they can carry torpedoes.

This was mostly because during the Cold War, the threat from subs was very great. Russia had a lot of them, and very advanced ones for the time.

Today though, the need to hunt, track, and kill subs is simply not a priority to the DOD. They are more concerned now with overland threats, and terrorism.

That’s not to say that the P-3 isn’t capable of this role, in fact it is. It’s just not something that it is used for a lot anymore.

Helicopters and ships are better at anti-submarine warfare by the way. The P-3 just brings great speed (in getting there), and long flight time into the equation, that’s what makes it a valuable ASW asset.

Well, can't really get into details on here, but hunting subs is what I do for a living. I'm sort of a sub guru, and I can say that ASW is still alive and well.

 

[Neil S.]

I did operations for the P-3 for about 8 years in the Atlantic, Pacific, and especially the Middle East areas of responsibility.

I was Task Group Watch Officer qualified, and was trained to brief the aircrews on every little detail of their missions prior to departure. I have knowledge in all aspects of the P-3s capabilities.

OIIIIIIIO is right that hunting subs is not really a priority anymore, and that it has adopted more of a strictly surveillance/intelligence role.

Back in the 70s-80s, the P-3 was an extremely valuable asset because of its ability to hunt subs for long periods and over great distances. They also have the ability to kill, and they can carry torpedoes.

This was mostly because during the Cold War, the threat from subs was very great. Russia had a lot of them, and very advanced ones for the time.

Today though, the need to hunt, track, and kill subs is simply not a priority to the DOD. They are more concerned now with overland threats, and terrorism.

That’s not to say that the P-3 isn’t capable of this role, in fact it is. It’s just not something that it is used for a lot anymore.

Helicopters and ships are better at anti-submarine warfare by the way. The P-3 just brings great speed (in getting there), and long flight time into the equation, that’s what makes it a valuable ASW asset.

Well, can't really get into details on here, but hunting subs is what I do for a living. I'm sort of a sub guru, and I can say that ASW is still alive and well.

I didn’t say that ASW isn’t done anymore...

Where are you getting this?

I said it wasnt a DOD priority right now, and that the P-3 doesnt do it that much anymore.

I said that the P-3 can still do ASW, and even that they are "a valuable ASW asset".

I am guessing you are either a sub or a ship guy, which means you don’t know the P-3 as well as I do.

I am simply stating that the P-3 doesn’t hunt subs that much anymore. This is true because I am an expert on the subject, and know what I am talking about.

You can’t possibly argue with me on this, because I am easily one of the most knowledgeable enlisted persons in U.S. Navy history about this subject.

I was an Operations Specialist, and we usually ride ships, but I spent an entire 8 years in the community doing operations for the P-3. Every AOR, every major operation, every type of mission, 1000s of sorties under my belt, many as a Watch Officer.

Here’s a few definitions of priority: "the state or quality of being earlier in time, occurrence, etc." or "something given special attention.”

Hunting submarines is neither new nor given special attention compared to other DOD objectives.

So my statement that the DOD doesn’t consider ASW as a priority is correct.

Are you an officer lol?

 

[usayit]

wow.. talk about OT.

I'm captain of a starship .... take that!

 

[Neil S.]

wow.. talk about OT.

I'm captain of a starship .... take that!

lol

He was challenging my knowledge of P-3 operations, which is not wise unless you are an AW, pilot, or flight officer...

Other than some odd jobs before I joined the Navy at 18, that was my lifes work. I did like 12+ deployments in support of the aircraft.

I just got out about 18 months ago, and am still trying to find myself.

I currently work at a U.S. airfield in Japan for the Air Force as a civilian contractor. Its a great job but I dont make much money at all, which sucks.

Its time for me to get one of those nice government jobs, with benefits and all that...

 

[Neil S.]

wow.. talk about OT.

I'm captain of a starship .... take that!

What section is this in? How can I go OT lol?

I want to be the captian of a starship...

Edit: Here are a few pictures from one of my deployments to Afghanistan. They were given to me by a Navy photographer. I know they are poor quality, but I cleaned them up as well as I could in PS.

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[Polyphony]

Way to completely hijack this thread...

 

[oldmacman]

I was at work and a colleague filled me in that something had happened at the world trade center. We flipped the news on and tried to figure what happened. Maybe it's because we are Canadian, but our ideas were more along the lines of computer error, failed controls etc. It wasn't until we heard about the second crash that triggered something more sinister was happening.

I remember that time had a very heightened edge of stress. Everything seemed like a terrorist plot. WMDs dominated the news. Anthrax scares were being reported throughout the US on a frequent basis. The situation was the only thing people talked about. Having the power failure two summers later with media unavailable was frightening for families. It all seems to be a distant memory now and seems odd that it is only 9 years ago. Seems much longer.

 

[Neil S.]

Way to completely hijack this thread...

This is a Photo Forum...

How many other people have posted photos in this thread?

My a$$ was on the ground in Afghanistan in '04 because of what happened that day. It seems to me that it directly relates to the topic.

I served my country for many years since 9-11, can you say the same?

Who are you to tell me what I should or should not say about that day?

 

[oldmacman]

Way to completely hijack this thread...

Who are you to tell me what I should or should not say about that day?

No one questions your patriotism and your knowledge. I am certainly thankful for those who make our world a safer place. I think what Polyphony means is that it became a pi$$ing contest of who knows more when the thread is really about remembering and honouring those who died in the attack.