A small piece of bicycle by Pascal Riben

[pascalriben]

Its a joke dont you remember posting in one of mine Rodinal in the digital age

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I remembered very well... but I'm afraid you didn't take care that this photo shot in... euh... 1999?... is a negative film :mrgreen:

But as it wasn't developped by myself, I don't now what developping agent has been used...

Most likely metol. Standard developer in labs (is) was D76.

I began myself with D76... Why do you still shoot in negative film? Even Salgado is shooting digital now !

 

[gsgary]

I remembered very well... but I'm afraid you didn't take care that this photo shot in... euh... 1999?... is a negative film :mrgreen:

But as it wasn't developped by myself, I don't now what developping agent has been used...

Most likely metol. Standard developer in labs (is) was D76.

I began myself with D76... Why do you still shoot in negative film? Even Salgado is shooting digital now !

I do shoot digital but have nearly given up and gone back to film since getting 2 Leica's plus film looks so much better and is more fun

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[timor]

Oh, I am using digital technology for family events etc. and it is a great technology for that. But for my own satisfaction I do film, the real thing, where everything depends on me, not on computer. Well, I use digital spot meter and digital enlarger meter and timer. And I don't use D76 anymore.

 

[pascalriben]

"...film looks so much better"...

I completely disagree

 

[gsgary]

"...film looks so much better"...

I completely disagree

Digital is ok if you like the plastic look

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[pascalriben]

I completely disagree

Digital is ok if you like the plastic look

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Plastic look? I'm afraid you don't know to edit or converse correctly your raw files.

Do you think really that Salgado or other photographers who work in B&W with digital camera like plastic look?

 

[sleist]

Just to complicate matters ...

The Online Photographer: Digital File to Silver Print

Not sure if this means you're both right or both wrong.

 

[pascalriben]

I cannot be wrong... so we are both right!

 

[timor]

Just to complicate matters ...

The Online Photographer: Digital File to Silver Print

Not sure if this means you're both right or both wrong.

Non of that. This is just one more sign , that digital technology in creating pictures is still regarded by many as a simulation of photography. (That's what computers do...) To make a silver gelatine print from a digital file looks like an attempt to hide that fact. Why ? Better images ? I doubt that, even best FB paper has less dynamic range than cheap inkjet and is much harder to handle for proper results. Maybe is a coverup of non-human (or automatic ?) part in the process of creation ? Maybe is just the feeling, that digital file could be printed, all copies exactly the same, with speed of few hundred per hour ? By total ignorant ? This cannot be said about FB printing... Maybe there is a point of value in a "hand made piece by piece" objects as an opposite to "made automatically and in mass".

 

[gsgary]

Digital is ok if you like the plastic look

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Plastic look? I'm afraid you don't know to edit or converse correctly your raw files.

Do you think really that Salgado or other photographers who work in B&W with digital camera like plastic look?

Dont worry i know how to work with raw files i use Capture One Pro ill post a digital shot when i get home

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[gsgary]

Just to complicate matters ...

The Online Photographer: Digital File to Silver Print

Not sure if this means you're both right or both wrong.

Non of that. This is just one more sign , that digital technology in creating pictures is still regarded by many as a simulation of photography. (That's what computers do...) To make a silver gelatine print from a digital file looks like an attempt to hide that fact. Why ? Better images ? I doubt that, even best FB paper has less dynamic range than cheap inkjet and is much harder to handle for proper results. Maybe is a coverup of non-human (or automatic ?) part in the process of creation ? Maybe is just the feeling, that digital file could be printed, all copies exactly the same, with speed of few hundred per hour ? By total ignorant ? This cannot be said about FB printing... Maybe there is a point of value in a "hand made piece by piece" objects as an opposite to "made automatically and in mass".

Also the photography art world have not taken to digital, i cant see a digital print going for £20,000

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[timor]

Also the photography art world have not taken to digital, i cant see a digital print going for £20,000

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Ha ! I can't see RC print going for much.

 

[pascalriben]

I have done a lot of work in the dark room and I have loved it a little bit and hated it a lot!

I like B&W film but you must deal with product smelling bad or with expensive laboratories and unfriendly people.

I don't think you can match the skill of a professional, working 8 hours - or more! - a day to enlarge photo in his professional darkroom.

And after, you have to found a place to take care of your negative films...

With digital, bie bie all these problems: you can do everything yourself, if you're motived, Photoshop for photographer is easy to learn. And digital is cheap - except for people who buy a new camera every 3 or six months. And you can save thousand pictures in a hard disk small enough to be put in your pocket. And you can make backup, etc.

Sure, you can find digital colder, but I'm not really interested by "beautiful B&W" (you can save a weak or even a bad photo with "beautiful B&W"). "Plastic look" usually results from to much noise reduction.

And digital is just at the beginning

But I understand people who prefer film, even if I feel crazy for them !!!

For me, :heart: digital camera :heart: has changed my life: nothing less! And I'm not a geek or somebody not familiar with film.

Amen.

 

[gsgary]

I have done a lot of work in the dark room and I have loved it a little bit and hated it a lot!

I like B&W film but you must deal with product smelling bad or with expensive laboratories and unfriendly people.

I don't think you can match the skill of a professional, working 8 hours - or more! - a day to enlarge photo in his professional darkroom.

And after, you have to found a place to take care of your negative films...

With digital, bie bie all these problems: you can do everything yourself, if you're motived, Photoshop for photographer is easy to learn. And digital is cheap - except for people who buy a new camera every 3 or six months. And you can save thousand pictures in a hard disk small enough to be put in your pocket. And you can make backup, etc.

Sure, you can find digital colder, but I'm not really interested by "beautiful B&W" (you can save a weak or even a bad photo with "beautiful B&W"). "Plastic look" usually results from to much noise reduction.

And digital is just at the beginning

But I understand people who prefer film, even if I feel crazy for them !!!

For me, :heart: digital camera :heart: has changed my life: nothing less! And I'm not a geek or somebody not familiar with film.

Amen.

I hope you don't think digital files will last as long as negatives, i have some 10 year old Cd's that cannot be read

and here is a digital B+W portrait of my sister in law using 2 windows as lighting

 

[pascalriben]

I hope you don't think digital files will last as long as negatives, i have some 10 year old Cd's that cannot be read

and here is a digital B+W portrait of my sister in law using 2 windows as lighting

Good portrait and she doesn't look "plastic" !

As for I know, I think digital files will last as long as negatives and even more: I don't save them on CD but on hard disks AND I change these hard disks frequently. This way, no problems.

Of course, when I'll be dead, if nobody change the hard disk... but this is an other story! And maybe before I die, with some improvements, you won't need to change hard disks?

And here is a film landscape shot in Venice in 2001 (you can click the picture) using a winter morning light