am i wrong?

[bribrius]

1. Schools have deal with apple to get stuff at little to no cost to the school.
2. Bringing unsupported devices onto a secure network poses security and liability risks.
3. its good to get kids learning technology because it is the way of the world. No different than woodshop, home ec or typing class.
4. The education system is in trouble because of the teacher's union keeping under performing people employed. All the good ones go into private education.

well, you know the age old addage. If you want a part time job with summers off and full time benefits become a school teacher.

 

[bribrius]

Bloody hell I can't believe this does Apple own the school

the school isn't giving in. Furthest i managed to get is "we understand your concerns, and will address it with the school board for next year. But this is out of our control". And they really don't seem to want to discuss it with me any further.

Maybe it really is out of their control.
No point in debating it into next year if they can't implement any sort of solution without going through the school board

well, i also put it to them like this. People have insurance on electronic devices, even adults. And warranties. So where is the logic in giving a teenager a near six hundred dollar device with no warranty and just a one time insurance claim? And why if i wreck my car the insurance pays me book value but if your ipad gets wrecked i pay full replacement cost? So yeah, they really didnt want to discuss it with i tried twice now.

 

[limr]

1. Schools have deal with apple to get stuff at little to no cost to the school.
2. Bringing unsupported devices onto a secure network poses security and liability risks.
3. its good to get kids learning technology because it is the way of the world. No different than woodshop, home ec or typing class.
4. The education system is in trouble because of the teacher's union keeping under performing people employed. All the good ones go into private education.

I agree with points 1-3. As for #4, I don't completely disagree but I also know that it's a much more complicated question that can't be generalized to this level. Unions have not completely outlived their usefulness for teachers, and the situation can vary drastically between school districts. In some districts, unions may do more harm than good. In other districts, they are still helping the teachers from being screwed over.

 

[limr]

1. Schools have deal with apple to get stuff at little to no cost to the school.
2. Bringing unsupported devices onto a secure network poses security and liability risks.
3. its good to get kids learning technology because it is the way of the world. No different than woodshop, home ec or typing class.
4. The education system is in trouble because of the teacher's union keeping under performing people employed. All the good ones go into private education.

well, you know the age old addage. If you want a part time job with summers off and full time benefits become a school teacher.

So so so wrong.

 

[bribrius]

1. Schools have deal with apple to get stuff at little to no cost to the school.
2. Bringing unsupported devices onto a secure network poses security and liability risks.
3. its good to get kids learning technology because it is the way of the world. No different than woodshop, home ec or typing class.
4. The education system is in trouble because of the teacher's union keeping under performing people employed. All the good ones go into private education.

I agree with points 1-3. As for #4, I don't completely disagree but I also know that it's a much more complicated question that can't be generalized to this level. Unions have not completely outlived their usefulness for teachers, and the situation can vary drastically between school districts. In some districts, unions may do more harm than good. In other districts, they are still helping the teachers from being screwed over.

no way. The unions need to go. I can usually tell a teacher the first day of open house. Is the room neat and orderly? Did they have the ambition to do the walls with the educational material or are they too lazy? Do they act like they are in a rush and you are a bother to them? Do they just read off the planned curriculum like a robot or do they have a brain?

And my worst experience. Few years ago i couldnt make a parent teacher conference, had to cancel. Following week i left work early hoping to catch the teacher at the end of the day for ten minutes. She say "i am not required to stay it isn't in our union contract" and just left. I chit you not. what a gem of a teacher she was.

 

[bribrius]

Not to say they are all bad limr. They aren't . Just under union you can't get rid of the bad ones. In fact, if you have a great teacher you want to keep and reward you can't even give them a raise. Violates the bargaining agreement. So you have bad teachers who shouldn't be there, getting paid more than great teachers. Plus the adminstrations, red tape, they pass a lot of crap DOWN. You know, chit goes down hill. So the administrations could probably be revamped too. Really just a messed up system all around. The federal and state mandates passed down dont help. All goes down hill. The goal should be to get the best teachers possible, reward your better teachers, get rid of the bad ones, and make as much of every dollar possible actually get into the classroom. It seems closer to the opposite happens.

And all these teachers are NOT underpaid. Considering they go through the easier college programs, have a lot of time off, and if they stay long enough can make decent money plus be union protected (even if they suck) it really isn't a bad gig. keep in mind these are mostly NOT your over achievers to start with. And now with ipads doing most of the teaching they can sit at their desk making paper airplanes all day and no one would know the difference.

They dont actually teach as much anymore as in the days when they spent most of the class at the chalkboard in front of the class. They sit at their desks now while all the kids are on learning tutorials on ipads. Pretty good gig really. hang out, get paid. Get summer off. Everytime it snows they get a day off. Guaranteed holiday, april vacations, whatever else vacations. Not like they work full time.

 

[gsgary]

I work in lots of schools while they are on holiday, one of the jobs i was running was worth £150,000 and had to be completed in 6 weeks, we worked 7 days and long hours to get it done but failed by a few days, the heas turns up saying I don't know what they have been doing for 6 weeks trouble is I heard her so she got the biggest ****ing she had ever had I didn't care if I got sacked

 

[gsgary]

Another school the teachers were only back one day and they were complaining they had to work an extra week (8 weeks) before their next weeks holiday best thing is they had just had 6 weeks I said your lucky we haven't had a summer holiday

 

[bribrius]

Another school the teachers were only back one day and they were complaining they had to work an extra week (8 weeks) before their next weeks holiday best thing is they had just had 6 weeks I said your lucky we haven't had a summer holiday

i was a substitute when i was younger. I seen some stuff. A couple teachers were really good. Others, they didnt even leave me lesson plans. The kids were behind chapters before i even showed up. Stacks of papers, uncorrected left for me to do apparently. Amazing amounts of call ins with them calling in sick. I never knew teachers had so much sick time. Disorganized classrooms, i couldnt find anything. It was HORRENDOUS. Not all though. Coupe of the teachers, left detailed plans, detailed notes. Requests. Seemed really caring. Others, forget about it. They should have been fired long ago. And laziness, they would avoid work and leave it for the sub to do. For their own students. It was shocking.
some great, others i dont think would deserve a job in a fast food restaurant. It might be even worse now.

 

[gsgary]

Another school the teachers were only back one day and they were complaining they had to work an extra week (8 weeks) before their next weeks holiday best thing is they had just had 6 weeks I said your lucky we haven't had a summer holiday

i was a substitute when i was younger. I seen some stuff. A couple teachers were really good. Others, they didnt even leave me lesson plans. The kids were behind chapters before i even showed up. Stacks of papers, uncorrected left for me to do apparently. Amazing amounts of call ins with them calling in sick. I never knew teachers had so much sick time. Disorganized classrooms, i couldnt find anything. It was HORRENDOUS. Not all though. Coupe of the teachers, left detailed plans, detailed notes. Requests. Seemed really caring. Others, forget about it. They should have been fired long ago. And laziness, they would avoid work and leave it for the sub to do. For their own students. It was shocking.
some great, others i dont think would deserve a job in a fast food restaurant.

They never clear stuff away before we go in to work there's crap everywhere we probaly waste days moving stuff before we can work its the same in every school I have worked in, as soon as the bell goes on last day they are off then come back the day before term starts then they start moaning

 

[bribrius]

Another school the teachers were only back one day and they were complaining they had to work an extra week (8 weeks) before their next weeks holiday best thing is they had just had 6 weeks I said your lucky we haven't had a summer holiday

i was a substitute when i was younger. I seen some stuff. A couple teachers were really good. Others, they didnt even leave me lesson plans. The kids were behind chapters before i even showed up. Stacks of papers, uncorrected left for me to do apparently. Amazing amounts of call ins with them calling in sick. I never knew teachers had so much sick time. Disorganized classrooms, i couldnt find anything. It was HORRENDOUS. Not all though. Coupe of the teachers, left detailed plans, detailed notes. Requests. Seemed really caring. Others, forget about it. They should have been fired long ago. And laziness, they would avoid work and leave it for the sub to do. For their own students. It was shocking.
some great, others i dont think would deserve a job in a fast food restaurant.

They never clear stuff away before we go in to work there's crap everywhere we probaly waste days moving stuff before we can work its the same in every school I have worked in, as soon as the bell goes on last day they are off then come back the day before term starts then they start moaning

wouldn't surprise me. They argue over who has to do lunch duty and lose a free period. Usually they try to pass it down to the new teachers and schedule it. But if one of the newer teachers scheduled to do it calls in sick it can cause a little argument over who has to do it. I don't want to paint all education or teachers bad though. But really, this happens. I seen this thing on a corporation (if schools could only think like this). Where the head of the company was tired of lower management hiding in the office when they had other things to be doing. Especially those whose job wasn't to be in a office all day. First he put in windows, to make them visible. so they would be seen screwing off. That didnt work so he ordered the walls to be knocked down on some of them. To keep them from hiding in them. The next step is he took out some computers, as some in the office were sitting there using them and they weren't even supposed to be in that office. Then for those that were supposed to be running the floor supervising others. He installed stand up computer terminals. To keep them from sitting down all day. So by that theory. Maybe they should implement some of that and get rid of the teachers lounges. Put in big windows facing the hallways so they are constantly seen by everyone that walks by. And if they call in sick, punish them by giving them lunch duty. okay, i should probably stop picking on teachers now. some, SOME are really great.

 

[Designer]

Bloody hell I can't believe this does Apple own the school

Yes.

Apple has supplied Apple products to schools for many years. It is no doubt a "loss leader", but a heck of a marketing ploy. Every kid knows how to run Apple stuff, and that's what they want at home.

So the example given, an iPad that retails for lots more than the annual rental fee is probably subsidized to some degree by Apple, and I think nobody expects those iPads to actually last 8 years.

So yeah, Apple "owns" the schools.

 

[Designer]

well, i also put it to them like this. People have insurance on electronic devices, even adults. And warranties. So where is the logic in giving a teenager a near six hundred dollar device with no warranty and just a one time insurance claim? And why if i wreck my car the insurance pays me book value but if your ipad gets wrecked i pay full replacement cost? So yeah, they really didnt want to discuss it with i tried twice now.

Did your daughter have to pay the $50 herself?

If you are a responsible parent, you should be holding her responsible for the breakage.

 

[gsgary]

Bloody hell I can't believe this does Apple own the school

Yes.

Apple has supplied Apple products to schools for many years. It is no doubt a "loss leader", but a heck of a marketing ploy. Every kid knows how to run Apple stuff, and that's what they want at home.

So the example given, an iPad that retails for lots more than the annual rental fee is probably subsidized to some degree by Apple, and I think nobody expects those iPads to actually last 8 years.

So yeah, Apple "owns" the schools.

There is no way this should be allowed

 

[bribrius]

well, i also put it to them like this. People have insurance on electronic devices, even adults. And warranties. So where is the logic in giving a teenager a near six hundred dollar device with no warranty and just a one time insurance claim? And why if i wreck my car the insurance pays me book value but if your ipad gets wrecked i pay full replacement cost? So yeah, they really didnt want to discuss it with i tried twice now.

Did your daughter have to pay the $50 herself?

If you are a responsible parent, you should be holding her responsible for the breakage.

no. I did. suppose i could have given her the fifty to give to them.