Avoiding Assault (Or Lowering the Odds)

[bruce282]

Product: Model 60LS

Its simple, compact and it gets the job done.

That gun shoots like ****. It kicks hard. Get the Ruger LCP, it's easier for a woman to carry and it doesn't kick... it's actually pleasant to shoot.

I'll take the kick of a .357 or .38 +P in a self defense weapon over a .380.

Bruce

 

[gsgary]

I'm just glad i live somewhere it is illegal to carry guns in public, and safe to walk at night

 

[bennielou]

I used to do PJ stuff. Remember, that camera is TOUGH and it's also HEAVY. A good bang on the head should stop it. Sorry you had a problem.

 

[Stradawhovious]

First and foremost. Anyone that tells you to stay away from a dangerous situation obviously doesn't know the frist thing about violent criminals.

Do those places exist? sure...... but here's the dirty little secret...... Fences, invisible bounradies, train tracks and landmarks are not recognized by violent people as places they can't cross. They can be anywhere, at any time, wearing any hat. Don't ever let anyone tell you that it's YOUR fault that something bad happened because you were in the wrong place. The general public shouldn't be made to be afraid to go outside. If that happens, the criminal element has won.

Here are the 3 things you ABSOLUTELY NEED to bring with you everywhere you go that you might feel is questionable...... (even if you don't, its a good idea. Bad guys don't recognize boundaries)
1. A friend. Preferably Male. (no offense) This is a minimum. The phrase "safety in numbers" isn't just a catchy jingle..... it actually works.
2. A phone
3. SITUATIONAL AWARENESS. Be aware of the things that are happening around you. Pay attention to the people, what they are doing, and what the are saying. Make sure you know the area well. Stay in well lit, well traveled paths if possible, and don't accidentally walk down a dead end alley.

Here is what you may consider taking along

1. A gun. It's been mentioned before. Most major cities have programs for training women in the use of a firearm, especially ones who have had bad encounters or close calls. I know that we do here in Minneapolis.

2. Less than lethal items. Pepper spray is good, but a can of wasp spray is better. A tazer is good, but only if you know how to use it. I don't recommend them for women because most civilian models require you to get up close nad personal, and your goal is to get away, not give the bastard a hug.

3. A web enabled cell phone with GPS positioning, and a friend that can access your location via the intrawebs. In the event of a SHTF situation, it's nice to know that people can find you.

4. If you feel uncomfortable with a weapon of any kind, get an aresol air horn. If something happens, blow it non-stop, scream like hell and run like the wind. Bad guys generally don't like it when attention is called to them.



Please, find a community education class on self defense. Self defense isn't always about offense........... that's why they call it defense. If you learn to spot these situations, many times they can be avoided by simply walking away.

The problem is that sometimes they can't.

It sickens me that people, even in this day and age blame the victim for assaults. "You were in the wrong place. You had no business there." Fact is, we shouldn't let the criminals have territory. If we do, it will only grow in size.

"Just let them take what they want, then they will leave" Yes. After they have taken your gear, raped you and killed you, they will leave. Sounds like good advice.

Evil deserves no consession. Period.


If you'll excuse me, I'm going to go get my flame suit on now.

 

[Stradawhovious]

That gun shoots like ****. It kicks hard. Get the Ruger LCP, it's easier for a woman to carry and it doesn't kick... it's actually pleasant to shoot.

The Ruger LCP is anything but plesant to shoot. My Ruger SP101 in .357 with full house loads is more comfortable to shoot than that plastic piece of ****.


Which of course is a moot point. Adrenaline has a funny way of absorbing recoil, and taming muzzle flip.

 

[table1349]

Product: Model 60LS

Its simple, compact and it gets the job done.

That gun shoots like ****. It kicks hard. Get the Ruger LCP, it's easier for a woman to carry and it doesn't kick... it's actually pleasant to shoot.

The whole point of the model 60LS was the K.I.S.S. principle. Keep It Simple STU&%$. Other wise I would have posted the 3913LS. One of the best little 9mm ever produced. Mine is my backup when on duty and my take with me when not. The 60 is no worse than my old S&W 66. The both are sweet shooters. There is no reason to practice with full loads. Target loads are fine and carry it with full loads. Everyone should shoot it at least once with full loads to get a feel. Plus the +P 38 round is an excellent self defense round. No need for a full blown 357 rounds for most people.

 

[skieur]

Not as well trained as mine. Neither my boxer, nor my standard schnauzer needed instructions. I now have airedales that are even smarter and respond to sentence and multi-instruction commands.

skieur

 

[skieur]

First and foremost. Anyone that tells you to stay away from a dangerous situation obviously doesn't know the frist thing about violent criminals.

Do those places exist? sure...... but here's the dirty little secret...... Fences, invisible bounradies, train tracks and landmarks are not recognized by violent people as places they can't cross. They can be anywhere, at any time, wearing any hat. Don't ever let anyone tell you that it's YOUR fault that something bad happened because you were in the wrong place. The general public shouldn't be made to be afraid to go outside. If that happens, the criminal element has won.

Here are the 3 things you ABSOLUTELY NEED to bring with you everywhere you go that you might feel is questionable...... (even if you don't, its a good idea. Bad guys don't recognize boundaries)
1. A friend. Preferably Male. (no offense) This is a minimum. The phrase "safety in numbers" isn't just a catchy jingle..... it actually works.
2. A phone
3. SITUATIONAL AWARENESS. Be aware of the things that are happening around you. Pay attention to the people, what they are doing, and what the are saying. Make sure you know the area well. Stay in well lit, well traveled paths if possible, and don't accidentally walk down a dead end alley.

Here is what you may consider taking along

1. A gun. It's been mentioned before. Most major cities have programs for training women in the use of a firearm, especially ones who have had bad encounters or close calls. I know that we do here in Minneapolis.

2. Less than lethal items. Pepper spray is good, but a can of wasp spray is better. A tazer is good, but only if you know how to use it. I don't recommend them for women because most civilian models require you to get up close nad personal, and your goal is to get away, not give the bastard a hug.

3. A web enabled cell phone with GPS positioning, and a friend that can access your location via the intrawebs. In the event of a SHTF situation, it's nice to know that people can find you.

4. If you feel uncomfortable with a weapon of any kind, get an aresol air horn. If something happens, blow it non-stop, scream like hell and run like the wind. Bad guys generally don't like it when attention is called to them.



Please, find a community education class on self defense. Self defense isn't always about offense........... that's why they call it defense. If you learn to spot these situations, many times they can be avoided by simply walking away.

The problem is that sometimes they can't.


It sickens me that people, even in this day and age blame the victim for assaults. "You were in the wrong place. You had no business there." Fact is, we shouldn't let the criminals have territory. If we do, it will only grow in size.

"Just let them take what they want, then they will leave" Yes. After they have taken your gear, raped you and killed you, they will leave. Sounds like good advice.

Evil deserves no consession. Period.


If you'll excuse me, I'm going to go get my flame suit on now.

Actually I am very happy to live, where I do NOT have to worry about such dangers!

skieur

 

[Stradawhovious]

Actually I am very happy to live, where I do NOT have to worry about such dangers!

skieur

Good for you, and I hope it stays that way.

Just remember... complacency is a breeding ground for all kinds of nasty things.

 

[bogeyguy]

How about friending up for your assignments. Nice to have someone watching your back if needed.

 

[skieur]

Actually I am very happy to live, where I do NOT have to worry about such dangers!

skieur

Good for you, and I hope it stays that way.

Just remember... complacency is a breeding ground for all kinds of nasty things.

Yes, but my question would be whether you are facing a real probability of danger or just paranoia. I take the normal precautions, but they certainly do not include carrrying weapons.

Of course, if you are short and/or appear vulnerable then you may have to take more precautions or take some martial arts to feel more confident, but a weapon is certainly overkill.

skieur

 

[Stradawhovious]

Yes, but my question would be whether you are facing a real probability of danger or just paranoia. I take the normal precautions, but they certainly do not include carrrying weapons.

Of course, if you are short and/or appear vulnerable then you may have to take more precautions or take some martial arts to feel more confident, but a weapon is certainly overkill.

skieur

Good for you.

I hope that for your sake you never run into a situation that makes you change your mind.

 

[SNBniko]

Skieur, come take some photos over here in Gary, Indiana. I think you'll change your mind.

 

[Dominantly]

I own and carry a hand gun, SOG Seal Pup, ASP Baton, or pepper spray (sometimes all); depending on where I am. I have a ton of experience with each of those, having been through months of schools to learn the ins and outs of them (to include being pepper sprayed a few times).

Each of them has their benefit, and their drawbacks.
-For the gun, I don't typically carry that in public because it's cons outweigh it's pros (county/mountains/backroads is different). When you pull a gun, you have escalated from the bottom to the top of the protection continuum. Will you fire? Will they fire? Are you justified in firing? Will you kill someone and go to prison? Will they take your gun? Will you hit them or a bystander? No good can come from that.

-Knife. It's lethal, it's intimidating, it's a close range weapon, it's also capable of being lost, and it's not a good self defense option. It will make someone consider the pros vs cons when attacking, but a lot of that will also be based on your size, and the attackers assessment on whether or not they can take it from you or if you'll even use it. If you are up against a group, you have pulled the wrong weapon. Best used for survival, of if you are the Rambo type.

-ASP. It's compact, it hurts like a SOB, it can be lethal, but it can also just be used to bust joints and bruise. When in the right hands it's also intimidating especially deployment. I like it because it allows you to have a weapon that can have a range of possibilities, and a tiny bit more reach. It can also be lost, especially against more than one person. I like it personally as a secondary weapon.

Spray- This is the stuff you want on you. It hurts, it's non lethal, it's cheap, and best of all if you deploy it on a would be attacker by accident, you aren't doing 20 to life. Here is another advantage, if can be used on more that one person. If you find yourself being accosted by a couple people, you can empty your bottle on the group/area (chances are you're getting some too). THe biggest benefit of this is it allows you to overreact and not kill someone and ruin your/their life. If you feel you need more, then combine this with an ASP and you are golden (my preferred combo).
Recommendations for spray- Go with OIL based, with a fog pattern (not stream). I wasn't really fazed by the water based and could function fairly well (enough to continue doing what I wanted), but oil based is a bit different. Fox labs has some of the best stuff out there, and I would personally check their site out.

my .02

 

[Dominantly]

I bet you if someone had a gun on that Greyhound bus during that beheading incident in Canada, it might have went a little different.