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@vintagesnaps Please read my post #43 above "I'll revisit them again before printing". I really didn't want to get into defending my color/tone/hue choices at this point as I have a backlog of editing to do, but you seem intent on not letting it go, so I revisited image #1 of the set.
Not sure what you or others are viewing these on, (phone, tablet, calibrated monitor) or under what lighting conditions (Incandescent light, ambient light, etc) but as you know any of these factors can make a difference. For the record I use a calibrated monitor, in a light controlled room (led daylight cans), with no exterior windows. I use Nations as my lab, and soft proof images to their supplied color profiles prior to sending them. I don't use their color correction, and my return images are matching what I'm seeing on my screen. Finally web browsers and web servers can and do affect color, such that what you're looking at likely isn't the same as what I'm looking at in Ps.
Now as to my image. 18% Gray is defined in RGB as (128,128,128), there can be various shades, but until you get into the slate colors the red, green and blue are equal. Magenta is mixed by adding equal parts red and blue, and 0 parts green. Medium Purple is RGB (147,112,219). Caucasian skin is a duke's mixture of just about everything ranging from shades of gray to almost red, there is no definitive mixture because we are all different. Add in some environmental elements like smoke, lights, and processing and things can look different, but I repeat these were never meant to be exact replicas of the subjects.
Sampling the color average of the shadow just under the left eye of image 1, I got (42,35,38) CMYK (62%,72%,58%,58%) which puts it in a slate category with browns and greens, while a sample of the left cheek highlight revealed (211,197,194) and CMYK of (8%,19%,13%,0%) which falls well in a midrange for Caucasian skin. Typically I'd like to see the Magenta at closer to 27% and the yellow at closer to 32%, however considering the desaturation used as part of the processing the numbers don't surprise me and in any case, it's a far cry from having magenta or purple tones. The tip of the nose samples at RGB (184,175,173) and CMYK (19%, 25%,20%,0%) which tells me I could drop the Cyan just a tad, and up the Yellow, but no purple, magenta or gray tint there either. I didn't sample anything other then skin, but it wouldn't surprise me if the background had reds, purples, even magenta. After all I was pumping gray smoke onto the set, with a black background and firing a red gelled strobe.
Each person perceives color in two different ways, what they actually see and a learned environmental response. People's actual perception of color varies drastically. We also have certain universal environmental responses (things we've learned from experiences), that can trick the mind to see something different. IE: you know blood is red so you see it as red, despite what your eyes might register. FYI Blood is not RED, it's a medium dark shade of Red with an RGB of (138,3,3). Throw in things like different monitors, and different viewing circumstances and it becomes an even greater variable.
Color/tint/toning has long been recognized as a creative element, many people, including Dan and Derrel, who you mentioned earlier, have used same in their images. There's been times I haven't always agreed with their choice, but I always gave them the benefit of recognizing they made an informed decision and as the artist they have that right. Unfortunately I'm not sure I've gotten the same consideration here. As I've said over and over I appreciate critique, negative especially, as it helps me grow. I try my best to remember negative comments and evaluate them for changes I need to make. Bottom line, I don't dispute what you may or may not see, I can only say by the numbers and by my eyes, on my monitor, I'm not seeing the need to make the changes you suggest. Continuing to belabor the issue at this point is unlikely to change my mind. However, as I said earlier, if and when I send these to print, I will soft proof to the labs profile, and if I believe adjustments are necessary I will make them at that time.
Not sure what you or others are viewing these on, (phone, tablet, calibrated monitor) or under what lighting conditions (Incandescent light, ambient light, etc) but as you know any of these factors can make a difference. For the record I use a calibrated monitor, in a light controlled room (led daylight cans), with no exterior windows. I use Nations as my lab, and soft proof images to their supplied color profiles prior to sending them. I don't use their color correction, and my return images are matching what I'm seeing on my screen. Finally web browsers and web servers can and do affect color, such that what you're looking at likely isn't the same as what I'm looking at in Ps.
Now as to my image. 18% Gray is defined in RGB as (128,128,128), there can be various shades, but until you get into the slate colors the red, green and blue are equal. Magenta is mixed by adding equal parts red and blue, and 0 parts green. Medium Purple is RGB (147,112,219). Caucasian skin is a duke's mixture of just about everything ranging from shades of gray to almost red, there is no definitive mixture because we are all different. Add in some environmental elements like smoke, lights, and processing and things can look different, but I repeat these were never meant to be exact replicas of the subjects.
Sampling the color average of the shadow just under the left eye of image 1, I got (42,35,38) CMYK (62%,72%,58%,58%) which puts it in a slate category with browns and greens, while a sample of the left cheek highlight revealed (211,197,194) and CMYK of (8%,19%,13%,0%) which falls well in a midrange for Caucasian skin. Typically I'd like to see the Magenta at closer to 27% and the yellow at closer to 32%, however considering the desaturation used as part of the processing the numbers don't surprise me and in any case, it's a far cry from having magenta or purple tones. The tip of the nose samples at RGB (184,175,173) and CMYK (19%, 25%,20%,0%) which tells me I could drop the Cyan just a tad, and up the Yellow, but no purple, magenta or gray tint there either. I didn't sample anything other then skin, but it wouldn't surprise me if the background had reds, purples, even magenta. After all I was pumping gray smoke onto the set, with a black background and firing a red gelled strobe.
Each person perceives color in two different ways, what they actually see and a learned environmental response. People's actual perception of color varies drastically. We also have certain universal environmental responses (things we've learned from experiences), that can trick the mind to see something different. IE: you know blood is red so you see it as red, despite what your eyes might register. FYI Blood is not RED, it's a medium dark shade of Red with an RGB of (138,3,3). Throw in things like different monitors, and different viewing circumstances and it becomes an even greater variable.
Color/tint/toning has long been recognized as a creative element, many people, including Dan and Derrel, who you mentioned earlier, have used same in their images. There's been times I haven't always agreed with their choice, but I always gave them the benefit of recognizing they made an informed decision and as the artist they have that right. Unfortunately I'm not sure I've gotten the same consideration here. As I've said over and over I appreciate critique, negative especially, as it helps me grow. I try my best to remember negative comments and evaluate them for changes I need to make. Bottom line, I don't dispute what you may or may not see, I can only say by the numbers and by my eyes, on my monitor, I'm not seeing the need to make the changes you suggest. Continuing to belabor the issue at this point is unlikely to change my mind. However, as I said earlier, if and when I send these to print, I will soft proof to the labs profile, and if I believe adjustments are necessary I will make them at that time.
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