I posted the above before you added those two photos. I never do retouch that extreme. I have tried LR's generative remove tool on some of the retouch I do require and it screwed up on work that needed much less. What the bleep is all that junk it invented to replace the light pole under the bldg. and what the bleep did it create that is blue next to the tree it extended behind the car? I don't need that kind of retouch but the simpler tasks I do require LR does poorly or can't do.
This was a crop off the edge of an image, I purposely picked it because it bordered on the extreme, especially the car. LR "guesses" what's behind the car by analyzing the whole scene, and composing an image to replace what you remove. I didn't do it here, but multiple passes (rather than a single stroke) with the Remove Tool will refine the area, much the same way you have to refine a patch or clone stamp in PS to blend properly. I purposely included the original to make it easier to spot places it messed up on, I'm surprised you missed the most glaring (removed the window behind the pole, replaced with shutters). Also, in the original there was no water or rock wall showing around the car, LR created it from a tiny sliver visible under the house. Still had I not included the original or told you what I removed, you'd be hard pressed to see the errors. I've found it to be extremely fast and very good at removing smaller less complex items.
never spend hours to process a raw file -- a difficult image maybe 20 to 30 minutes
As per above, our editing requirements are very different. On a finished portrait in PS I'll have from 5 to 15 layers on the face group alone, throw in adjustment layers, tone mapping, textures, sharpening, composite layers and assorted other edits, you quickly end up with a large stack, that might take 2-3 hrs or more to complete. I've been doing this many years so "I don't reinvent the wheel" on each edit, my workflow is such that I use actions to populate the stack and perform certain functions, and once I have the first image in a series complete, I copy and paste layers to subsequent images to save time, but many layers like D&B, frequency separations, blemishes, etc., require individual attention.
Yes editing nondestructive is good..... to a point, but carrying it to the extreme, almost a fanatical obsession is not required. As I said earlier, I can't remember a single instance of editing thousands of images in PS over the years where there was any problem editing in it. Adobe Camera Raw (available in both LR & PS) is non-destructive same as C1. If it's embedded as a smart object in PS it can be changed at any time. Interesting quote from Martin Evening's 10 page comparison of Adobe and C1 published in 2016 -
“Capture One’s philosophy is to produce a more optimized look that doesn’t necessarily require further editing. This may have led to the perception that Capture One is sharper and punchier, but in reality neither program is inherently better than the other when it comes to actually working on your images and adjusting the settings to suit individual tastes.” For me I'm happy with Adobe because it fits my needs, obviously you feel different, doesn't make either of us right or wrong in our approach.....just different.
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