Everyone thinks they can be a pro! (RANT)

[rufus5150]

It's evidence that someone took the shot.

Then there's a post saying 'I took this shot'.

No, it's not a signed confession, but if it were a more serious offense than trespassing (unless of course he was doing this at Area 51 or something), it might be enough to get someone interested.

What someone said on a message board (or in email or what have you) can be admissible evidence.

If he has a photo of potentially criminal activity that could by some means be traced back to him taking it in a manner that would be allowed and believed by a a judge or jury, the safe bet is to not show that image.

And wow have we EVER derailed this thread

 

[nikks24]

What is wrong with you guys?

Let someone who takes pictures call them selves a photographer, there are no requirements to be a photographer. Like someone else said, anyone who takes pictures, regardless of seriousness, is a photographer. What is wrong with buying a D40 Costco kit and going around taking photos? So what if someone has no idea what exposure, or iso is? LET THEM HAVE THEIR FUN, AND STOP PUTTING YOUR NOSE IN THEIR BUSINESS. Do you want photography to be something that is so intimidating and full of rules and requirements that no one would ever want to pursue it? If someone wants to call them selves a professional, hey LET THEM. IT DOESN'T EFFECT YOU.

Photography should be fun and fulfilling, so let there be people that buy a d80 as there first camera, only to take family snapshots, and let there be professionals that started on a point and shoot. Photography is an awesome hobby/career, no matter how serious you take it, so let people have fun with it!
relax

 

[Harmony]

Ummmm.... nikks24 - BREATHE.

We're debating 'professional', here. Not 'photographer.'

But... carry on as you were...

 

[Harmony]

Oh, btw, yes, calling themselves a professional and charging for sub-par work not only concerns professionals, it threatens business practices. I once again refer to the first post I made in this thread and the link contained within it.

 

[MikeBcos]

Oh, btw, yes, calling themselves a professional and charging for sub-par work not only concerns professionals, it threatens business practices. I once again refer to the first post I made in this thread and the link contained within it.

Yes it does threaten business practices, in much the same way the advent of the home computer and inkjet printer threatened my trade, the printing business. Those two items, and the amateurs that own them, have been responsible for the demise of many, many small printing companies.

Those of us who survived didn't do it by screaming and crying about the unfair competition from these people, we just marketed ourselves better and showed the general public that our work was good value for money. I print wedding stationery, my services cost far more than a ready made pack from Walmart but from me you get a custom designed piece that reflects you and your wedding, fortunately, I have managed to get that mesage across to people and am never short of work.

If you're scared of the competition market yourself better, being a good photographer isn't enough, you have to be a good business person too.

 

[manaheim]

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[Harmony]

I know, manaheim... it's STILL going.

Let's have a bet: how many more days will this endure?

I think it will peter out by Dec 9.

 

[manaheim]

I know, manaheim... it's STILL going.

Let's have a bet: how many more days will this endure?

I think it will peter out by Dec 9.

Well, see, it'll NEVER die now.

It'll go on for another few days or so... and then it'll quiet down for a bit... and then 3 weeks from now some noob will respond to it, once again lighting the fires, and then it will burn just as brightly as it did on the first day.

<sigh>

:lmao:

Well, I suppose I can bet on when it will temporarily die... I say Dec 16th. Oh and it will be reborn the day after Christmas, when all the new people who get their new cameras come sign onto the forums.

 

[Harmony]

I'll be conspicuously absent that day.

 

[Samriel]

I surprises me too see how many people in this day and age take the word professional as some kind of title indicating skill. Professional does not necessarily equal good, nor does amateur equal bad. Professional really only indicates if you live and eat from it or not. Amateur indicates you might have other motives then money.

While driving my car yesterday, I was listening to the radio. There were talking about how at some zoo somewhere in the US, a women came up with the idea to collect deer poo, shape it and paint it, and sell it as ecological Christmas tree decorations for $5+ a piece. After many years, my theory that in today's world you could sell $hit if you did some marketing, got finally confirmed.

It does amaze me how this thread still survives.

 

[Alleh Lindquist]

Got news for you, there, Jerry... Just as computers can pretty much beat the best chess player today, AUTO mode is earning its place at the top.. Unless you are doing, "artsy" shots or emphasizing something in a shot that most people wouldn't emphasize, AUTO is pretty smart.. I don't think I've ever taken an AUTO shot with my D50 that wasn't a viewable photograph.. I say viewable because some elitists believe that unless the entire background is out of focus or the picture isn't b&w, then the picture isn't good.. I think that the improved AUTO and program modes mean that the only thing that will matter soon is the composition, so you should get used to it.. I'm sick of wielding an expensive camera and being told that I'm no good unless I'm shooting Manual... Sometimes it's the eye... After all, isn't it sometimes your desire to document what you're LOOKING AT....??? Not everyone looks at life through a B&W/Sepia or Photoshop lens.... I kind of see things the way they are, which AUTO captures well...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[prodigy2k7]

Ummmm.... nikks24 - BREATHE.

We're debating 'professional', here. Not 'photographer.'

But... carry on as you were...

I still wonder what makes people think photography does not take the same amount of practice, skill and dedication as any other professional title. "Hey everyone I just bought a Porsche so now I am a lawyer, what should my attorney fees be." Your Costco bought D80 kit, that super great best bang for the buck 50 1.8 and your 5 months of shooting “TONS” of photos of your family does not even come close to making you a “photographer”

This is from the OP, so yes we are.

 

[Jedo_03]

Dunno about practice and dedication - but SKILL equates with professionalism

Jedo

 

[fwellers]

Well this thread is missing the biggest point.
No matter how good you are technically, no matter if you know everything about cameras, and can build a d3x with your bare hands, and can code photoshop with your right hand while playing pacman with your left, you aren't a photographer at all unless you've gone on the pilgrimage to the east and learned the way of the grasshopper.
Only then can you "see" the eternal now through the viewfinder.

Sheesh. I'm soooo disappointed none of you knew that. :coffee:

 

[JerryPH]

What is wrong with you guys?

Let someone who takes pictures call them selves a photographer, there are no requirements to be a photographer

Really? I suppose you are right. Just like there are no requirements to calling someone a bus driver, pilot, dentist.

An implied title represents that you have at least a good foundation in the basics and skills of such, otherwise, lets just call all 300 pound men who carry batons cheerleaders and majorettes, why don't we?

Someone who presses the shutter on a camera without knowing what they are doing is NOT a photographer, its a PWAC(*) pretending to be a photographer, maybe even wishing to be a photographer... they are NOT a photographer.

What is wrong with buying a D40 Costco kit and going around taking photos? So what if someone has no idea what exposure, or iso is? LET THEM HAVE THEIR FUN, AND STOP PUTTING YOUR NOSE IN THEIR BUSINESS. Do you want photography to be something that is so intimidating and full of rules and requirements that no one would ever want to pursue it? If someone wants to call them selves a professional, hey LET THEM. IT DOESN'T EFFECT YOU.

Wow, are you talking about yourself? Are you intimidated by ISO, shutter and aperture? Feeling a little threatened perhaps?

There is nothing wrong with going to Costco and getting yourself a camera and snapping away. There *is* a problem with someone going to Costco, picking up a D40, slapping the battery and card in it and thinking they are a photographer... much less a PROFESSIONAL photographer (which is what we are discussing here!).

Photography should be fun and fulfilling, so let there be people that buy a d80 as there first camera, only to take family snapshots, and let there be professionals that started on a point and shoot. Photography is an awesome hobby/career, no matter how serious you take it, so let people have fun with it!
relax

You see, this is the attitude of people today. This just screams "let's all be mediocre, there are no differences between me and someone that actually understands what they are doing". It screams of needing personal justification irrespective of ignorance or lack of skill. I'm OK, you're OK, and even though your pictures SUCK and you've ruined the wedding photos of a couple that paid you good money, it's ok, because... you had fun with it!

PUH=leeez!

(*) - PWAC - "Person With A Camera". Someone with NO real experience or knowledge to speak of on how to PROPERLY use a camera.