Full Body Ella, Angel vs Devil - Tips?

[o hey tyler]

Reminds me of the wacky excuse,"These pics are sub-par because I was aboard a 40 foot boat."

Sound familiar? ;-)

O.P.- There's plenty of room for improvement in the re-shoot of this assignment. Maybe you can formulate a plan that will give you light that's better and easier to work with? The dappled sunlight that KmH mentioned,briefly, is a VERY tricky type of light to work in; although not impossible to work in, dappled sunlight requires intense attention to detail, and almost perfect subject placement and fill lighting. The lens you have seems to be kind of sub-par also...are you aware that once can apply lens correction in post-processing to lower the CA and kill that subtle distortion? Cute girls, cute outfits, just the lighting was VERY tough.

Please Derrel, with your limitless information and knowledge tell me how being on a 30 foot fishing boat occupied by five people (two subjects, two photogs, and a mother) and two dogs is at all similar to being on dry land with a flat; relatively unobstructed plane to move about on with near infinite ability to relocate. I'm not sure about you, but I'm not Jesus and I sure as crap can't walk on water.

 

[Derrel]

Reminds me of the wacky excuse,"These pics are sub-par because I was aboard a 40 foot boat."

Sound familiar? ;-)

O.P.- There's plenty of room for improvement in the re-shoot of this assignment. Maybe you can formulate a plan that will give you light that's better and easier to work with? The dappled sunlight that KmH mentioned,briefly, is a VERY tricky type of light to work in; although not impossible to work in, dappled sunlight requires intense attention to detail, and almost perfect subject placement and fill lighting. The lens you have seems to be kind of sub-par also...are you aware that once can apply lens correction in post-processing to lower the CA and kill that subtle distortion? Cute girls, cute outfits, just the lighting was VERY tough.

Please Derrel, with your limitless information and knowledge tell me how being on a 30 foot fishing boat occupied by five people (two subjects, two photogs, and a mother) and two dogs is at all similar to being on dry land with a flat; relatively unobstructed plane to move about on with near infinite ability to relocate. I'm not sure about you, but I'm not Jesus and I sure as crap can't walk on water.

The two newbie-type excuses struck me as being almost identical. You chiding him reminded me of your lame excuse from some time ago. Hold that mirror up juuuust a little higher, my young forum member! There are almost always challenges when photographing people. Learning how to overcome challenging conditions, and not making excuses is one of the first steps we need to learn. I find it ironic that you find a 30 foot motor launch to be a challenge; try shooting aboard a 15'9" Arima sportfishing boat sometime.

 

[o hey tyler]

The two newbie-type excuses struck me as being almost identical. You chiding him reminded me of your lame excuse from some time ago. Hold that mirror up juuuust a little higher, my young forum member! There are almost always challenges when photographing people. Learning how to overcome challenging conditions, and not making excuses is one of the first steps we need to learn. I find it ironic that you find a 30 foot motor launch to be a challenge; try shooting aboard a 15'9" Arima sportfishing boat sometime.

So you're unable to tell me how they're at all similar? Way to make a point, per usual with you.

I actually shot aboard a smaller vintage chris craft, but it had much more room for people.

 

[SCraig]

The two newbie-type excuses struck me as being almost identical. You chiding him reminded me of your lame excuse from some time ago. Hold that mirror up juuuust a little higher, my young forum member! There are almost always challenges when photographing people. Learning how to overcome challenging conditions, and not making excuses is one of the first steps we need to learn. I find it ironic that you find a 30 foot motor launch to be a challenge; try shooting aboard a 15'9" Arima sportfishing boat sometime.

So you're unable to tell me how they're at all similar? Way to make a point, per usual with you.

I suspect, after reading Derrel's post, that the point was that excuses are unacceptable for any profession. If you are going to accept payment for services rendered then the services are expected to be rendered. Without any excuses. If there is a tree behind preventing movement, then you change positions or use a wider lens. If the light isn't good you make your own or wait until it is. If you don't have the equipment then you rent it or don't accept the job. When you agree to do the job you are also agreeing to the client's terms and conditions, which are basically to provide what you have been paid for.

This is a very, very important concept for any prospective professional in ANY venue to understand: NO excuse is acceptable. You do what you are paid to do, no excuses, no whining, no anything except results. It is one of the single most important concepts between being an amateur and a professional, and it is something that must be understood.

 

[Vtec44]

This is a very, very important concept for any prospective professional in ANY venue to understand: NO excuse is acceptable. You do what you are paid to do, no excuses, no whining, no anything except results.

Pretty much!

 

[Rebekah5280]

The two newbie-type excuses struck me as being almost identical. You chiding him reminded me of your lame excuse from some time ago. Hold that mirror up juuuust a little higher, my young forum member! There are almost always challenges when photographing people. Learning how to overcome challenging conditions, and not making excuses is one of the first steps we need to learn. I find it ironic that you find a 30 foot motor launch to be a challenge; try shooting aboard a 15'9" Arima sportfishing boat sometime.

So you're unable to tell me how they're at all similar? Way to make a point, per usual with you.

I suspect, after reading Derrel's post, that the point was that excuses are unacceptable for any profession. If you are going to accept payment for services rendered then the services are expected to be rendered. Without any excuses. If there is a tree behind preventing movement, then you change positions or use a wider lens. If the light isn't good you make your own or wait until it is. If you don't have the equipment then you rent it or don't accept the job. When you agree to do the job you are also agreeing to the client's terms and conditions, which are basically to provide what you have been paid for.

This is a very, very important concept for any prospective professional in ANY venue to understand: NO excuse is acceptable. You do what you are paid to do, no excuses, no whining, no anything except results. It is one of the single most important concepts between being an amateur and a professional, and it is something that must be understood.

Well said!! I hate seeing excuses like "the kid wouldn't cooperate so I just got what I got.." or "it was a confined space so this is what it is..." etc..

 

[o hey tyler]

I suspect, after reading Derrel's post, that the point was that excuses are unacceptable for any profession. If you are going to accept payment for services rendered then the services are expected to be rendered. Without any excuses. If there is a tree behind preventing movement, then you change positions or use a wider lens. If the light isn't good you make your own or wait until it is. If you don't have the equipment then you rent it or don't accept the job. When you agree to do the job you are also agreeing to the client's terms and conditions, which are basically to provide what you have been paid for.

This is a very, very important concept for any prospective professional in ANY venue to understand: NO excuse is acceptable. You do what you are paid to do, no excuses, no whining, no anything except results. It is one of the single most important concepts between being an amateur and a professional, and it is something that must be understood.

Deliver quality images to the client is precisely what I did. They loved them, even with the limitations of the boat, which they even expressed to me prior to the shoot. So much to the point where I shot their wedding as well. I would have rented a jet ski to get shots off the boat, but strangely that wasnt in the budget.

They knew what they wanted, and my ex girlfriend and I delivered. End of story.

 

[runnah]

I need to get a boat.

 

[o hey tyler]

I need to get a boat.

26' Macgregor might be for sale in the near future if you're interested. Power sailer with a 50horse outboard! You can water ski on it. ;-)

 

[Rebekah5280]

I need to get a boat.

I have a boat!

 

[ronlane]

I need to get a boat.

And a jet ski..

 

[o hey tyler]

And a jet ski..

And a wake board.

 

[SCraig]

Deliver quality images to the client is precisely what I did. They loved them, even with the limitations of the boat, which they even expressed to me prior to the shoot. So much to the point where I shot their wedding as well. I would have rented a jet ski to get shots off the boat, but strangely that wasnt in the budget.

They knew what they wanted, and my ex girlfriend and I delivered. End of story.

My comment wasn't necessarily aimed at you either, it just seemed that way since I quoted your post. My bad, and I apologize. It was, in fact, aimed directly at all of the prospective "Pros" who think that "I did my best" and "Sorry" are sufficient excuses for not providing what they were paid for.

 

[runnah]

And a jet ski..

And a wake board.

Just kidding, I have a boat, jet ski and wakeboard. Who wants to be my friend?

 

[o hey tyler]

Just kidding, I have a boat, jet ski and wakeboard. Who wants to be my friend?

Pick meeee