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Full Frame vs Crop Sensor

Plenty of affordable EF lenses... *cough*


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Once you get past 8 or 10 or so, more megapixels only really matter if you're going to be doing large prints at high resolution, or if you're going to be cropping off a substantial portion of the captured image. If you're cropping, that's sort of the quick and dirty way around, and you should really just have a longer lens. If you need the resolution for printing, there is absolutely no substitute. Professionals with high resolution print requirements often use medium format cameras with 50 or 80 or more megapixels. The highest quality, most expensive computer monitors are only 4 megapixel, and the more common "high resolution" monitors that come with high end computers are only 2.3. So, if your images will be most often viewed on a computer monitor, additional resolution beyond twice the resolution of the display will make no difference. Up to twice the resolution, and you may see evidence of the anti-aliasing filter in front of the sensor. If you're printing, this is a really good article on how much real estate you can get out of your sensor: How Big Can I Print by Thom Hogan

So in short, unless you're doing big prints, 12 megapixels is plenty, and the advantages of full frame will outweigh the advantages of a higher resolution sensor that is cropped.


With regards to lens affordability... price is the primary advantage of a DX system. Lenses are much easier to produce because they do not need to project as large an image circle. However... I've found that as a result of this, the lenses that are produced for crop sensors only are rarely top of the line. There are a few crop sensor lenses that are built to the same standards, but the vast majority are really built to a price point instead of a performance point. For most tasks, FX lenses outperform DX lenses, even when mounted to DX bodies. The only lens I have that is DX only is my Tokina 11-16, and only because no one makes a full frame lens that wide. If I had full frame, the wide end equivalent field of view would require a ~17mm lens. In this range are the Canon 16-35, Canon 17mm TS-E, Canon 17-40, Zeiss 18mm, etc... All of which would outperform my Tokina, but are more expensive. (the 17-40 is probably close in price and performance actually). So yes, DX lenses are certainly more affordable, but they do not defy the "get what you pay for" rule.
 
70 years of 35mm format cameras and you people can't find a lens you like?! Really?
 
Other than the sensor size difference, I am starting to feel the pain of owning a full frame camera. LACK OF AFFORDABLE GOOD LENS!!!!!

There's lot's of DX lens on the market, but very few FX ones. Take ultra wide angle for example, I am stuck with my old AF-D 20mm F2.8 because the 14-24 AF-S is out of my price range. Whereas I just bought the Tokina 11-16mm for my sister who uses D90. Since DX is the main stream, I don't see the trend reversing in the future.

I <3 Canon for that. The EF-S is their crop lens and last time I checked, which was several months ago, there only had 6-7 EF-S lenses out of their entire line up of photography lenses that consisted of 60-70 lenses and only a few of those 6-7 are lenses that are considered decent quality.

You could always look at 3rd party lenses or just go ahead and do what I did and purchase $4000 or so in lenses and get it over with. :D
 
The "serious" equipment testers, the ones with the biggest web sites and the best methods, have all noted one thing: the absolute BEST lens resolution figures have all come from full-frame cameras. We need to keep in mind, that real-world optical performance is a measure of both the lens, and the capture medium used behind that lens. The vast,vast majority of lenses have some imaging weaknesses and flaws. A full-frame d-slr from Canon, Nikon, or Sony is one of only a relative handful of models, ALL of which were designed and built to provide the best image quality possible at the price point for the camera. Canon has had the 1Ds series and the two 5D models; Nikon the D3 (D3,D3x,D3x) series and the D700 and NO others; Sony has made the A900 and A850. I think, in total, that equates to 11 individual full-frame d-slr cameras. Eleven. Few enough models that the "concept" of a full-frame camera is much,much,much more-discretely definable than some vague, mythologized "thing". We are talking about 1) rugged, Abrams-tank-like Canon 1Ds bodies and Nikon D3 bodies; affordable and reasonably lightweight, unobtrusive Canon 5D and 5D-II bodies, two very solid workmanlike and VERY "analog-camera-like" Sony bodies with huge viewfinders; and the Nikon D700--as sort of low-priced, almost-flagship-Nikon body that has most of what the $5,000 Nikon D3 had, but at half the price.

The APS-C crop-body field is FILLED with models, priced from $499 to, well, I don't know...so many models it's hard to keep track of them...

But the one constant that keeps coming back is that the eleven full-frame cameras have offered what was, at introduction, state of the art resolving power, image size, dynamic range, and overall picture quality that was or is, as high as their makers could manage. Period. Canon's original 11 MP 1Ds was not that good compared to the later cameras, but it was high-resolution. Kodak's 14n and the SLR/C and SLR/N version cameras were made in such small numbers I did not include them in my original "Eleven".

Full-frame is an entirely different image capture medium than APS-C is. Pure and simply. It is a much bigger capture format. It works very differently with all lens lengths. An 85mm or 105mm lens is almost useless indoors in a normal house on a crop-body camera. On a FF camera, both are very valuable tools. In small studios, crop-body cameras force the photographer to use very short focal length lenses in order top encompass full figure, standing people, or groups, and with the small capture format, that means wide-angle views BEHIND the subject distance, problems with background width, backgrounds that are distressingly in-focus, and apparent perspective distortion on extended limbs, and on the size of people in the front row of group shots, as contrasted with people in subsequent rows or at different distances.

Here's a simple rule: The smaller the capture format is, the deeper the depth of field at EQUIVALENT angles of view. If you want to shoot pictures where the "normal lens" has relatively shallow depth of field,and tend to blow the background out of focus easily, then use a medium format size capture, like 6x6 or 6x7 film. If you want to shoot pictures where the normal lens has pretty good depth of field, APS-C is nice. If you want to almost never have to worry about focusing, shoot with a camera that has a very SMALL capture size sensor or film.
 
Hey, analog did a great job of it !

For 5 year olds? did he? I don't think so :)

I would love to meet that 5 year old :D

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I would love to meet that 5 year old :D

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Is this simple enough for you Tevo??

Full frame Sensor is BIG BIG BIG sensor and Crop Sensor is MEDIUM BIG BIG Sensor!

There we go.. done!

No no no
Big Big Big sensor is large format
Big big sensor is medium format
Big sensor is full frame
Medium sensor is crop
Easy sensor is m4/3rds
tiny sensor is your point and shoot
aaand
Baby sensor is your iphone ;)
 

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