Goodbye Photoshop

[amolitor]

PROPERTY IS THEFT!

 

[Ysarex]

PROPERTY IS THEFT!

:thumbup:

 

[bentcountershaft]

There is lots of industry specific software that is sold in this very same way. I think my company pays around a $1k monthly for our inventory management/routing system software. It works for business. The difference is that I'm guessing there aren't a lot of amateur or semi-pro propane companies out there that use the same software.

 

[Majeed Badizadegan]

I want to lease Adobe Products just about as much as I want to lease Minesweeper.

 

[Tiller]

I want to lease Adobe Products just about as much as I want to lease Minesweeper.

I do love minesweeper!

 

[ronlane]

As much as I want to get flaming mad about this, the simple fact is that it won't affect me much at all. And I suspect it won't affect a great many "smaller" photographers who predominantly use LR in their post work.

How many of you guys are like me? Be honest. My workflow is 90-95% LR and then I finish up the "heavy" edits in Photoshop CS6. Now, with the new Lightroom 5 (which won't be restricted to the cloud AFAIK) including a true cloning/healing brush, radial gradient tool and the improved RAW support, the develop module in LR5 will more or less duplicate ACR.

There goes two of my biggest reasons for ever visiting Photoshop. So, all that to say, I imagine I'll be perfectly content to rock Lightroom 5 and Photoshop CS6 for a LONG time to come. Definitely long enough for the market to provide a high quality alternative to Adobe Slavery. (I'm looking at you, Google/Nik).

I agree with you James. I use LR4 for most of my editing and then anything else I use PSE11. I was thinking that LR was included in this but when I went to try to select a single app for the $19.99, LR was not a choice. I'm sure that it's possible for them to add that later if this all works but since that is not the case now, I am just going to keep using LR4 and probably upgrade to LR5 when time comes.

 

[KmH]

consumers will have the same option they have always had. Use the product or not.

QFT.

 

[Steve5D]

Steve,
I understand what you are getting at, but disagree. The quickest way to kill a brand is to piss off it's loyal customers. Ask JCPenney.

Read and learn: J.C. Penney ad addresses ?mistakes,? says co. learned to listen to customers - The Washington Post

You can disagree all you want, but a company that doesn't put its own health and financial well-being as its first priiority is a company which, at best, will not be competitive and, at worst, will go the way of the dinosaur.

First and foremost, businesses are in business to make money. Anyone believing otherwise is not cut out for business...

 

[Jad]

As much as I want to get flaming mad about this, the simple fact is that it won't affect me much at all. And I suspect it won't affect a great many "smaller" photographers who predominantly use LR in their post work.

How many of you guys are like me? Be honest. My workflow is 90-95% LR and then I finish up the "heavy" edits in Photoshop CS6. Now, with the new Lightroom 5 (which won't be restricted to the cloud AFAIK) including a true cloning/healing brush, radial gradient tool and the improved RAW support, the develop module in LR5 will more or less duplicate ACR.

There goes two of my biggest reasons for ever visiting Photoshop. So, all that to say, I imagine I'll be perfectly content to rock Lightroom 5 and Photoshop CS6 for a LONG time to come. Definitely long enough for the market to provide a high quality alternative to Adobe Slavery. (I'm looking at you, Google/Nik).

The Adobe customer service rep told me the new Lightroom will be available only with the full edition Creative Cloud. You may want to check this out for yourself, but I think you are dead ended with Lightroom 4

 

[Deeger]

So people will just download pirate copies of PS and LR more often?

 

[.SimO.]

Will this help mitigate pirated copies possibly? Or more importantly, will I need to be connected online to a subscription base the entire time I am utilizing the software? That would be my concern. As a traveler, I don't often get to be online for personal business.

 

[dewey]

Adobe isn't the first, and will not be the last to move to this type of licensing. PC sales are falling through the roof and cloud models are becoming mainstream. The times are a changin!

For people who hate the idea stick with CS6.

 

[Majeed Badizadegan]

You can disagree all you want, but a company that doesn't put its own health and financial well-being as its first priiority is a company which, at best, will not be competitive and, at worst, will go the way of the dinosaur.

First and foremost, businesses are in business to make money. Anyone believing otherwise is not cut out for business...

If the only goal of a business was to make money, at all costs, that business would not survive either. You'd be cutting off your nose despite your face.

If Adobe consumers are the income of a business, their bread and butter, wouldn't it be advised they keep them happy? That's a rhetorical question, because the obvious answer is a resounding YES!

Look what happened to Netflix when they decided to screw over customers in early 2012 by drastically changing their pricing structure (in their best interests, not the customers).

5 year stock prices, Netflix

Stocks nose-dived and customers exited en masse. Moves that keep the interests of the company in mind first (without keeping customers happy) backfire all the time.

Or, how about JC Penney?

One year stock prices, JC Penney

CEO Ron Johnson had a pricing model "vision for the company" which alienated hundreds of thousands of customers:

"Mr. Johnson abruptly scrapped JCPenney’s dubious pricing policies of marking up prices and then offering discounts, with heavy promotions, and coupons. He proposed to offer more interesting products, from lines like Martha Stewart and Joe Fresh, at reasonable prices all the time.

But the change in pricing occurred with merchandise that was already in stores and that customers were used to, rather than on brand-new merchandise. The approach didn’t fare well with Penney’s customer base of bargain hunters. They rebelled, traffic declined, sales fell and Penney slowly returned to the prior era of pricing, with lots of promotions, lots of price-focused ads, and marked-up prices that would be later marked down."

-- Source

So Steve, the moral of the story here is that one cannot just pretend customer satisfaction doesn't matter. Drastic changes in pricing have been known to alienate customers and largely backfire on the company.

You can pretend that the bottom line is all that matters, all you want. But in the end, there's no bottom line if you don't have any customers.

 

[dewey]

Will this help mitigate pirated copies possibly? Or more importantly, will I need to be connected online to a subscription base the entire time I am utilizing the software? That would be my concern. As a traveler, I don't often get to be online for personal business.

It might, but not really. Pirates always find a way to steal.

No you will not need to be connected. The Adobe apps will be installed on your machine (just like today) and at least once every 30 days you have to be connected to the internet. Although there is a silly grace period of 180 days, so in theory as long as you go online at least once every 6 months you're good.

 

[Buckster]

Adobe isn't the first, and will not be the last to move to this type of licensing. PC sales are falling through the roof and cloud models are becoming mainstream. The times are a changin!

For people who hate the idea stick with CS6.

Just to be clear, it's not the cloud/licensing/per month business model that I object to. I'm fine with that. My objection is centered squarely on paying nearly double going forward for a product that was fairly expensive already.