Goodbye Photoshop

[amolitor]

This is one of the great things about the switch from buying to leasing, or vice versa.

It's not just $X is bigger than $Y, you have to actually work through the scenarios like Buckster is doing, to see if it makes financial sense for you or not. How often do you buy upgrades? How much do you pay for service? What are the additional bundled services and products worth to you?

There are likely people for whom this will actually save money. I don't know for sure, but it seems likely. Since leasing also changes the cash flows around, it will make it more convenient for some small businesses, and less convenient for others. Who KNOWS what it does to the tax situation. It's *quite* possible that this is a big savings and big value for some high value class of customer that Adobe actually cares about.

 

[jamesbjenkins]

As much as I want to get flaming mad about this, the simple fact is that it won't affect me much at all. And I suspect it won't affect a great many "smaller" photographers who predominantly use LR in their post work.

How many of you guys are like me? Be honest. My workflow is 90-95% LR and then I finish up the "heavy" edits in Photoshop CS6. Now, with the new Lightroom 5 (which won't be restricted to the cloud AFAIK) including a true cloning/healing brush, radial gradient tool and the improved RAW support, the develop module in LR5 will more or less duplicate ACR.

There goes two of my biggest reasons for ever visiting Photoshop. So, all that to say, I imagine I'll be perfectly content to rock Lightroom 5 and Photoshop CS6 for a LONG time to come. Definitely long enough for the market to provide a high quality alternative to Adobe Slavery. (I'm looking at you, Google/Nik).

The Adobe customer service rep told me the new Lightroom will be available only with the full edition Creative Cloud. You may want to check this out for yourself, but I think you are dead ended with Lightroom 4

Nothing I've seen in the press releases or info on LR5 has stated or implied that it would only be available via the CC. The LR5 beta is already available to the public.

 

[jamesbjenkins]

I do like the JC Penny Comparison. Indeed the consumers will ultimately make the decision.

Does it really make any shred of sense that people would rather buy a $100 shirt that's 75% off rather than just buying the same shirt for $25 not on sale?

Apparently the answer is yes.

Ok bro, just caught up on the thread and I gotta say, you reek of Adobe spin troll.

Your signature doesn't say you've been assigned to run damage control on this forum and thread, but your words sure indicate as much.

T-minus 3...2...1...til I get an entirely too positive and sickly sweet response. :er:

 

[amolitor]

Does it really make any shred of sense that people would rather buy a $100 shirt that's 75% off rather than just buying the same shirt for $25 not on sale?

There is a HUGE, HUGE psychological difference between those two scenarios. Virtually everyone, you included almost certainly, is much more willing to buy a $100 shirt discounted to $25 than to buy an identical shirt at a full listed price of $25. They don't do this stuff because they're dumb, and they don't do this stuff because it doesn't work.

 

[Overread]

Ok lets cool the attitudes a bit people!

Debate the matter all you wish but lets leave out insulting each other out of it. Respect each others viewpoints, counter argue against the point if you wish (you do not have to agree), but don't lower yourself to making personal attacks or insults or jibes to try and "win". No one wins when that happens, all that happens is you get into a fight and then a mod has to come along and lock the thread and issue out punishments to any who really took things too far.

 

[Steve5D]

So Steve, the moral of the story here is that one cannot just pretend customer satisfaction doesn't matter.

And if you can find where I've said that, I'll buy you a house. Putting words in my mouth to try to make a point is pretty pathetic.

In the hierarchy of who needs to be considered first in business decisions, a business will put their interests first. I never said other interests didn't matter. I never said anything remotely like that.

Again, it's silly to suggest that a company is best served by putting the interests of anything but the company first...

 

[Jad]

As much as I want to get flaming mad about this, the simple fact is that it won't affect me much at all. And I suspect it won't affect a great many "smaller" photographers who predominantly use LR in their post work.

How many of you guys are like me? Be honest. My workflow is 90-95% LR and then I finish up the "heavy" edits in Photoshop CS6. Now, with the new Lightroom 5 (which won't be restricted to the cloud AFAIK) including a true cloning/healing brush, radial gradient tool and the improved RAW support, the develop module in LR5 will more or less duplicate ACR.

There goes two of my biggest reasons for ever visiting Photoshop. So, all that to say, I imagine I'll be perfectly content to rock Lightroom 5 and Photoshop CS6 for a LONG time to come. Definitely long enough for the market to provide a high quality alternative to Adobe Slavery. (I'm looking at you, Google/Nik).

The Adobe customer service rep told me the new Lightroom will be available only with the full edition Creative Cloud. You may want to check this out for yourself, but I think you are dead ended with Lightroom 4

Nothing I've seen in the press releases or info on LR5 has stated or implied that it would only be available via the CC. The LR5 beta is already available to the public.

I just had a chat with Adobe sales rep and he confirmed the new Lightroom 5 will only be available with the Creative Cloud. It will not be a stand alone product

 

[Steve5D]

Does it really make any shred of sense that people would rather buy a $100 shirt that's 75% off rather than just buying the same shirt for $25 not on sale?

There is a HUGE, HUGE psychological difference between those two scenarios. Virtually everyone, you included almost certainly, is much more willing to buy a $100 shirt discounted to $25 than to buy an identical shirt at a full listed price of $25. They don't do this stuff because they're dumb, and they don't do this stuff because it doesn't work.

They do it because of marketing and "perceived value"...

 

[Benco]

Hope Adobe's paying attention to all the shouting going on about this on the web, previously happy customers are no longer happy at all, are you really sure you want to ride this train Adobe?

 

[amolitor]

I do find it fascinating that the thrust of this thread appears to be:

- I spend <paltry amount> on Adobe products, and so this change is bad for me
- Adobe should therefore not do this

Maybe Adobe doesn't care very much about <paltry amount>? Just thinkin' outside the box. It's all very well to be furious and to wave your arms about angrily, but if you're not pullin' the train, you don't really get a vote.

 

[Benco]

Paltry amount? which Adobe product goes for a paltry amount? I'm all ears.

 

[Josh66]

I do find it fascinating that the thrust of this thread appears to be:

- I spend <paltry amount> on Adobe products, and so this change is bad for me
- Adobe should therefore not do this

Maybe Adobe doesn't care very much about <paltry amount>? Just thinkin' outside the box. It's all very well to be furious and to wave your arms about angrily, but if you're not pullin' the train, you don't really get a vote.

Yes, I have this sneaking suspicion that the people who rarely upgrade (or pirates) are not exactly the target audience of Adobe.

For what I suspect is their target audience, this new plan probably sounds pretty good. Everyone else is screwed. I'll give them the benefit of doubt that they know which customers are 'more important'. We all like to pretend that 'equality' is a thing, but it just isn't...

 

[Buckster]

Paltry amount? which Adobe product goes for a paltry amount? I'm all ears.

Me too.

Also, I think it's worth noting that there are a LOT of successful businesses built around the notion of selling a LOT of product at lower prices to a LOT of "little" people, rather than selling a few products at exorbitant prices to a handful of "well-heeled" people. Those "little" people certainly DO pull the trains of such companies.

 

[Majeed Badizadegan]

Maybe Adobe doesn't care very much about <paltry amount>? Just thinkin' outside the box. It's all very well to be furious and to wave your arms about angrily, but if you're not pullin' the train, you don't really get a vote.

Last time I checked, Adobe isn't writing checks to themselves. The customers do .

 

[Josh66]

Maybe Adobe doesn't care very much about <paltry amount>? Just thinkin' outside the box. It's all very well to be furious and to wave your arms about angrily, but if you're not pullin' the train, you don't really get a vote.

Last time I checked, Adobe isn't writing checks to themselves. The customers do .

I have to wonder how many of the people complaining (not just here) are actually "customers"...