most times when i crank the iso up to about 300 and the subject is moving, i get lots of grain :? ... i despise grain ... its my worst enemy issed: ... my hubby says some grain looks nice and add character to a b&w photograph .. uke: what do you think about acceptable limits of grain?
I love grain too which is why I love developing with rodinal. Like film, a digital sensor can be more sensative to light.
I'm on your side dew, I don't like grain either, I think its becuase I dont see it in real life so why should i see it in my photographs
I am not big fan of grain, but it has it place, I do not like it on portraits or action sports, the grain that I seen and liked is mostly been B&W landscapes or architecture Oriecat People are accustomed to film speed that why. Yes all you really need to know is the EV level (exposure value) How many people do you know understate EV or even what it is
i did a shoot yesterday and my subject decides he wants to play his guitar, sing and move around while im shooting him :? ... so i had to crank up the iso (not to mention im not too fabulous at taking "action" shots) :roll: ... so i had a lot of grain on those shots AArrrrrGGGHhh!!! .. here are my unassuming results he wasn't playing here, but he kept moving around .. someone needs a tranquilizer :crazy:
Dew, are those ones that you thought are ok, or is the "grain" on them beyond what you like? I am just trying to understand and see where you are coming from. To me, those don't look grainy at all, but pixelated (it might also just be a product of uploading and monitor settings, etc.), which I guess is the digital equivalent of grain, but it really isn't the same thing. Pixelation is always bad, grain is often good. To me anyway.
I don't care for grain either, nor am I a fan of B&W. I think grain in color is even worse. Dew.... Were these photos taken with your new E20? Would like to see some with the new cam if you have it.
I think it's important to distinguish between grain on film and noise in digital captures. They don't really look alike to me. I have seen people use a grain filter (Adobe) to add the look of film grain to their digital shots. When I first got into photography I quickly began striving for as grain-free images as possible. I am still stunned by the fine look of prints made from slow ISO 4x5 negs. I definately go for grainless in my landscapes. But I have learned to like grain. In my own work I usually go pretty grainy for BW rock-n-roll shots, and sometimes in portraits. I've seen other people's stuff, even commercial product work, that is grainy as can be, and looks great. I haven't learned to appreciate the value of noise yet. But if I ever do I can use the noise filter to add some to my film scans.
