Hate for beginners

[o hey tyler]

 

[Stradawhovious]

In response to profesionals complaining about the weekend warriors stealing their clients.....

There are two kinds of clients in the world (and this goes for every skiled labor profession). Those who know, understand and appreciate quality work, and those who do not. The latter sometimes turns into the former, but never t'other way 'round.

People in the skilled labor profession should thank those weekend warriors. They are the ones that inevitably teach clients what ****ty work is, and why it should be avoided. Also, they occupy the time of those that will never understand the difference.

Besides, its my experience that a client that is truly and terminally incapable of appreciating the work of a skilled professional over that of the semi skilled or unskilled weekend warrior seldom contributes to the career of a true professional.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

I think the link cited, is arguing more about the beginners who go out and get the exact shots someone else took, and selling them.
While it maybe unethical, it will always happen.
I've seen people here whose sole talent seems to lay in being able to achieve what other well known photographers have done before. Look at infant photography, and how much of it is based on Geddes' work. Like the OP said, that is kinda the natural order of things. Beginner copies success, and if he/she is truly talented, will move beyond that. The less talented/creative will always rely on the market to further thier career.

 

[2WheelPhoto]

I've seen some of the gripes about craigslist photographers competing with the guy's who use photography for 100% of their income and I do agree with most of those arguments however I've seen other arguments that seemed off base to me. These arguments focused on a hatred for beginners "just because".

I then ran across this last night -

Marc Adamus LIES 2.0 Article: Why Marc Adamus needs to be stopped

I am not very familiar with the guy they're talking about - but couldn't this be anyone starting out in anything? I fly RC planes. I've progressed by learning maneuvers that I've seen other people do and then I've put them together in routines that were my own. One day when I'm good enough maybe I'll invent something of my own but the entire hobby is made up of doing just what I described. Taken the way this guy puts it...I'm a loser RC pilot based on this guy.

What do you guys think? Take the target out of the hit piece and couldn't this describe any new photography to some extent?

Just bringing this up for discussion.

 

[Proteus617]

Anyone with more time than me care to drill through WhoIs and Google and come up with some photos produced by the owner of MarcAdamusLies? I checked out Marc Adamus' stuff. Way over-cooked for my taste, but he obviously spends good time hunting locations and great light. I could sneer if I want, but I don't have a body of work that comes close.

 

[Stradawhovious]

Here are some folks that feel pretty strongly against this asshat...

Marc Adamus LIES: Marc Adamus THUG Gary Crabbe takes one for the team!

https://mattlauder.wordpress.com/tag/marc-adamus-lies/

Here is this asshat asking for yet another defamation/libel suit...

LoserPhotographers.com Blog: BREAKING NEWS: The first “we told you so” moment from Loserphotographers.com: Pathetic imbecile Miles Morgan has stolen Marc Adamus compositions and placed them on microstock sites; how’s that crow taste

And here is the original photographer in question. Might be over cooked, but still pretty stunning images....

Image Galleries : Marc Adamus Photography


Just in case anyone cares to take a gander.

 

[ghache]

he probably stole his wife.

 

[mwcfarms]

He has great images, really inspiring, just like Peter Lik who is also inspiring just like Ansel Adams there is always going to be someone out there trying to imitate that which inspires them. Imitation is the highest form of flattery blah blah blah, This guy needs to get a life and spend less time whoring his ideas on the interweb.

 

[otterbox]

What a waste of time.

 

[KevinPutman]

I think the link cited, is arguing more about the beginners who go out and get the exact shots someone else took, and selling them.
While it maybe unethical, it will always happen.
I've seen people here whose sole talent seems to lay in being able to achieve what other well known photographers have done before. Look at infant photography, and how much of it is based on Geddes' work. Like the OP said, that is kinda the natural order of things. Beginner copies success, and if he/she is truly talented, will move beyond that. The less talented/creative will always rely on the market to further thier career.

I try not to look at too many different pictures that other people take,
just so when I go out I'm not "imitating them" in any way. I'm taking my own shot how I feel and see it should be taken.

 

[Rekd]

I didn't visit the web site because I'm not interested in whiny little brats, and the fewer hits the site gets the faster it fades into nothingness.

However, you bring up a valid point:

I I fly RC planes. I've progressed by learning maneuvers that I've seen other people do and then I've put them together in routines that were my own. One day when I'm good enough maybe I'll invent something of my own but the entire hobby is made up of doing just what I described. Taken the way this guy puts it...I'm a loser RC pilot based on this guy.

This is true of many, many professions (and hobbies). In (one of) mine, there is an old saying that goes:

A good programmer is not defined by how well he writes code from scratch. A good programmer is defined by how well he can take another person's code and adapt it to work for his project.

Photography, RC tricks, FMX, writing, etc., are all examples of the same philosophy. You should never feel bad or guilty for taking someone's idea and morphing it into your own creation.

Note the difference between morphing something and copying something verbatim and calling it your own. That's just cheesy and often against the law.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

I think the link cited, is arguing more about the beginners who go out and get the exact shots someone else took, and selling them.
While it maybe unethical, it will always happen.
I've seen people here whose sole talent seems to lay in being able to achieve what other well known photographers have done before. Look at infant photography, and how much of it is based on Geddes' work. Like the OP said, that is kinda the natural order of things. Beginner copies success, and if he/she is truly talented, will move beyond that. The less talented/creative will always rely on the market to further thier career.

I try not to look at too many different pictures that other people take,
just so when I go out I'm not "imitating them" in any way. I'm taking my own shot how I feel and see it should be taken.

Dude! You should look at tons of photography! Finding what excites you, what speaks to you most. Nothing wrong with emulating a style.
There is very little that is completely new and fresh and original, just variations on all that has come before. I used to feel that way, when I was young. I didn't want to be "tainted" by other artists. But now that I have been around the block, I feel different.

The difference is, doing exactly what someone else has done, and made a name with, such as Anne Geddes, and her babies in flower pots, etc. Look at how many MWC's do exactly that, and started businesses doing it. They aren't doing their thing, they are doing Annes thing.

I think there is a difference for you to find a style you like, and try to reproduce the style with YOUR landscape, that surrounds you.

 

[KevinPutman]

Oh don't get me wrong, I do look! Just not as much as most..back when I was in to graphic design, I found I would go out looking for "inspiration" on things to make. Looking at other, more prominent designers, works. Then attempting to make something of my own. But it always turned out me somehow imitating their style. Even if it did have my own unique twist, that set it apart from the original I got the inspiration from, it wasn't really my work.
I have a terribly uncreative mind. Which is frustrating because I wanted to go to college and be a graphic designer. Looking at others work shows me what is good, and what isn't. What I should be doing, what others like, etc etc etc. But I always feel that when I go out to shoot, that I'm somehow just imitating that persons previous work. So as you said, they aren't doing their thing, they're doing Annes thing..I want it to be me doing my thing =p.

Although this last few months, I've found that I love nature photography. Landscapes, wildlife, all that jazz. While I haven't yet had the opportunity to try shooting actual people, I'm not sure how I'd feel about that.
and I just don't have an eye for abstract =/

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

You should develop your eye for the abstract. Abstraction is, at its most basic, strictly about composition.

I would go so far as to say, people who don't get abstract imagery, don't have a very good understanding of composition.

 

[vtf]

That blog is silly, just a stupid waste of someones time and energy that could be better spent somewhere else. There's plenty of truly "evil" people in the world to hate.