Holocaust Survivor Speaking (This person's actually speaking this time! lol!)

[Dahrol]

Those are serious thing you have to think about when people try to down something. How much of themselves did they put into what they were doing? You'd assume that if you're paying a crap ton of money that you'd squeeze the life out of whatever you're paying for, to suck out every last drop you can get, but you'd be surprised. Some of those folks have the money given to them because of their financial standing (maybe their parents were wealthy and whatnot) and just experiment, don't apply themselves, then complain because they've gotten no results.

I just found a site with alot of positive reviews and some negatives. The positive ones were from the students who developed good relationships with their instructors, took advantage of what the school had to offer, and even got involved with clubs and organizations.

It's like a scenario of me going to high school, doing the bare minimum to get by, and complaining because I didn't get anything out of it but a degree. I choose not to get involved, I don't ask my teachers for help or constant critique, and keep to myself, not getting to know anybody. I procrastinate with my assignments, don't show up for classes, party all the time, don't take advantage of internships or employment opportunities...these are all scenarios of why people pay to go to a college and then down it, because it happens with just about everything. There's always those who are negative about the experience.

If I'm paying $46,000 to go to school, best believe I'm not just going to go to school. Those people aren't going to forget who I am, because I'm going to give it my all.

Part of the reason why I'm so optimistic is because I'm pretty poor, and I believe that in most instances, those private schools who are only concerned about the money will tell ya "Sorry, don't have the money, best of luck in all your future endeavors." The Admissions Director has been on call for me 24/7 to do everything she possibly can, running herself ragged to get me in, because apparently she sees something in me. She's straight up about stuff too. She tells you how it is.

She could have easily just kicked me to the curb and went on to someone who was going to give their money, attend, and she could move on and pitch the next sale. She is the type of person who would do that too. I can tell by her attitude. She don't give a damn. LOL. But she does about me, for some odd reason. This has been a month long process. Why would someone go out of their way and waste so much time on ONE potentially hopeless case to see that they're admitted?

 

[cgipson1]

Those are serious thing you have to think about when people try to down something. How much of themselves did they put into what they were doing? You'd assume that if you're paying a crap ton of money that you'd squeeze the life out of whatever you're paying for, to suck out every last drop you can get, but you'd be surprised. Some of those folks have the money given to them because of their financial standing (maybe their parents were wealthy and whatnot) and just experiment, don't apply themselves, then complain because they've gotten no results.

I just found a site with alot of positive reviews and some negatives. The positive ones were from the students who developed good relationships with their instructors, took advantage of what the school had to offer, and even got involved with clubs and organizations.

It's like a scenario of me going to high school, doing the bare minimum to get by, and complaining because I didn't get anything out of it but a degree. I choose not to get involved, I don't ask my teachers for help or constant critique, and keep to myself, not getting to know anybody. I procrastinate with my assignments, don't show up for classes, party all the time, don't take advantage of internships or employment opportunities...these are all scenarios of why people pay to go to a college and then down it, because it happens with just about everything. There's always those who are negative about the experience.

If I'm paying $46,000 to go to school, best believe I'm not just going to go to school. Those people aren't going to forget who I am, because I'm going to give it my all.

Part of the reason why I'm so optimistic is because I'm pretty poor, and I believe that in most instances, those private schools who are only concerned about the money will tell ya "Sorry, don't have the money, best of luck in all your future endeavors." The Admissions Director has been on call for me 24/7 to do everything she possibly can, running herself ragged to get me in, because apparently she sees something in me. She's straight up about stuff too. She tells you how it is.

She could have easily just kicked me to the curb and went on to someone who was going to give their money, attend, and she could move on and pitch the next sale. She is the type of person who would do that too. I can tell by her attitude. She don't give a damn. LOL. But she does about me, for some odd reason. This has been a month long process. Why would someone go out of their way and waste so much time on ONE potentially hopeless case to see that they're admitted?

I have heard horror stories about people getting stuck with really high loans.. after graduating schools like this. Only being able to find a minimum wage job from the referrals.. and not having any really useful skills to start out on their own. Just trying to help...

If the school doesn't teach... you can't learn from them no matter how hard you try. I hope that isn't the case here... but that is why we asked for other opinions...

Because that is their job! To get you to sign the paperwork.. so that you owe them $46000.00 no matter what happens!

lets see what the others have to say.. I PM'd a few people who should have some answers, or know where to get them.

 

[molested_cow]

Art institute is the ITT for artsy people. There are all over the country. They charge a lot but the standard is definitely not college level. They know how to promote themselves but in reality, if you want real education, one that exposes you to all kinds of variables and opportunities for YOU to deal with YOURSELF, the Art Institute is not the place to go to.

So you tried "the college thing" huh? For how long? Couldn't survive being a college student? Well, good luck trying to survive in the real world then.

Sounds like you want to hear people telling you that OMG you are SOOO great! All the potential in the world! Well, that's what they say about "As Seen On TV" products. BUT THAT'S NOT ALL! You also get a COMPLIMENTARY Nikon DSLR!!! It sounds like you want to be put on a wheel chair and be pushed all the way up the ramp. The problem is, at the end of the ramp is a flight of stairs and you never learned about walking, let alone felling.

People who don't care about you will go out of their ways to sweet talk you. People who care about you will go out of the way to tell you that you suck, when you do suck.

Also, school isn't supposed to teach you anything. School is supposed to provide an environment when you learn on your own, without the fear of failure. If you think getting an F in class is terrible, try getting an F in the real world.

 

[Dahrol]

Any school I go to to do what I want to do, I'm looking at student loans. Community College just isn't an option for me. They have a pathetic curriculum and lousy teachers that I tried to reach out to who wouldn't give me the time of day. That comes from personal experience. All of those things that negative reviewer said about the AI, is exactly what I got during my tenure at the community college I went to. The English teacher was HAPPY that his students were failing, and over-graded and had incredibly over-bloated expectations. Everyone in the school knew him and would tell you to avoid him, and a few others. I ended up getting him and can say the same thing.

It's one of those scenarios where you get what you pay for, which is why Community Colleges are so cheap.

I don't plan on relying on the school to find me a job. I'm pretty outgoing in terms of making connections and finding my own work, but that's determinable on the skill I posses. I am friends with some marketing masterminds, but without the skill, they can't market crap as far as I'm concerned, which is why I'm seeking this.

What this boils down to is whether you think I have the eye or not. If you think I have the eye and she thinks I have the eye, then I have the eye, but no real knowledge on how to put that to creating a work of art, because I'm used to working with crappy equipment with no real guidance.

That's why I've been posting so many pictures. Not to get comments on how crappy the shot was due to the camera, but whether the "eye" is in tact. The only way to learn is to post your work and have people dismantle it piece by piece and tell you what you don't want to hear.

 

[rexbobcat]

Not really.. but 46k for an associates? That seem pretty high! Average cost of an associates degree at a community college is around $10k... and some of the online schools (like Kaplan) are up to $30k. $46k seems really outrageous! You probably financed it through them too, didn't you? They make extra money on that too.... high interest rate usually....

I would really check around ... OUCH! You can get a bachelors for that at most schools in a good field like nursing.......

Where can I get a Bachelor's for 46k? :O

I'm going to a public university and it costs about 20k a year.

 

[rexbobcat]

Art institute is the ITT for artsy people. There are all over the country. They charge a lot but the standard is definitely not college level. They know how to promote themselves but in reality, if you want real education, one that exposes you to all kinds of variables and opportunities for YOU to deal with YOURSELF, the Art Institute is not the place to go to.

So you tried "the college thing" huh? For how long? Couldn't survive being a college student? Well, good luck trying to survive in the real world then.

Sounds like you want to hear people telling you that OMG you are SOOO great! All the potential in the world! Well, that's what they say about "As Seen On TV" products. BUT THAT'S NOT ALL! You also get a COMPLIMENTARY Nikon DSLR!!! It sounds like you want to be put on a wheel chair and be pushed all the way up the ramp. The problem is, at the end of the ramp is a flight of stairs and you never learned about walking, let alone felling.

People who don't care about you will go out of their ways to sweet talk you. People who care about you will go out of the way to tell you that you suck, when you do suck.

Also, school isn't supposed to teach you anything. School is supposed to provide an environment when you learn on your own, without the fear of failure. If you think getting an F in class is terrible, try getting an F in the real world.

You seem o live under the delusion that college IS for everyone.

It's a whole lot harder to get an F in real life, because the only one who can decide that is you.

Life is lived in shades of grey. College, however, is not.

 

[molested_cow]

You seem o live under the delusion that college IS for everyone.

It's a whole lot harder to get an F in real life, because the only one who can decide that is you.

Life is lived in shades of grey. College, however, is not.

Delusion? No I never said college is for everyone, but if you have decided to attend college, pick one that actually challenges you.

I think you are under the delusion that you yourself gets to decide whether to get a F in real life. The point is not about getting an F or not. It's about how you are going to pick yourself up when you do, and college provides an environment for you to experience it.

Dahrol, I wasn't talking about community college. I am talking about real ones. Four-year undergrad bachelor degree. Yes the total tuition fee is probably going to be much more than $46k. It's harder to get in as well because you need to compete for your place with an actual portfolio, but that's exactly why it worth fighting for, because instead of letting people tell you whether you "have the eye", you compete.

 

[Dahrol]

Sounds like you want to hear people telling you that OMG you are SOOO great! All the potential in the world! Well, that's what they say about "As Seen On TV" products. BUT THAT'S NOT ALL! You also get a COMPLIMENTARY Nikon DSLR!!!

Funny how you make no sense. If you're great, you don't need potential. You're great. You don't need to learn diddly squat, because you're great. Potential and greatness aren't the same thing. Potential is what leads to greatness, like Bill Cosby sucking at standup but persevering until he became a nationally known entertainer, because he had the POTENTIAL to turn something raw into something golden. Greatness is a perception, not something as a set in stone standard. I can think something's great, and you can think it sucks, and vice versa. That doesn't make crap great. It make it great to us.

You sound like one of those people who think because you suck once, you should just tuck your tail between your legs and hit the bricks because there's no possible way you can get better. Is THAT how you see how the "real world" works?

in reality, if you want real education, one that exposes you to all kinds of variables and opportunities for YOU to deal with YOURSELF, the Art Institute is not the place to go to.

Where's your evidence that the Art Institute doesn't expose their students to all kinds of variables and opportunities for individuals to deal with themselves? It sounds like that's one of the biggest components of what they do, does it not? They give you access to all the equipment that you need (studios, post production tools, camera, etc) and give you the freedom to experiment with it in addition to your curriculum, which starts with the fundamentals of art and works its way through actual photography to marketing and businesses courses. They also have a staff there that's there to assist you in any questions you might have in accordance with the curriculum, and actually encourage you to ask as many questions as there is to ask...unless, they're just saying that because it's part of the "Scam." I don't know, I'd have to ask an Art Institute attendee.

Are you one of those?

"So you tried "the college thing" huh? For how long? Couldn't survive being a college student? Well, good luck trying to survive in the real world then."

This is laughable, because now you don't know what you're talking about. Learn to read, because that's not what I said.

You tell me how Community College compares to "real college," which is what I consider to be a University like Purdue or Ball State and such. It's cheap for a reason. THAT is what I experienced for two years, not "the college thing." I experienced lousy professors who tought pointless subjects, who would come in late and dismiss class early after merely assigning vocab words and rambling on a few subjects for 10 minutes. I experienced crappy advising that would get you hooked into classes and programs that didn't benefit you or misled you, because the advisers really didn't care about your education. I experienced a scarce amount of options in terms of what degrees were available, and had the scope of what I wanted to pursue limited to the extreme, unless I wanted to go into nursing or criminal justice.

It sounds like you want to be put on a wheel chair and be pushed all the way up the ramp. The problem is, at the end of the ramp is a flight of stairs and you never learned about walking, let alone felling.

Well then someone needs their hearing checked. You have some interpretation issues, I can tell, because once again, as I point out, I said nothing that even remotely comes close to that. Only those who are like that are those I described in my above posts, those who have the money handed to them to "experiment" with something without giving all of themselves, only to get just as much as they put in, which is zilch and then complain because they got "ripped off." There's a difference in that perspective, and mine, which is quite the opposite, which is what you should have gathered if you actually were paying attention to what you were reading.

People who don't care about you will go out of their ways to sweet talk you. People who care about you will go out of the way to tell you that you suck, when you do suck.

LOL! Are you out of your mind? Let's get one thing straight. People who don't care about you won't go out of their way to do CRAP for you. They'll ignore you, because guess what? They don't care, period.

Someone has to care about something for you to be sweet talked or told that you suck, because they cared enough to at least answer you, right?

Also, school isn't supposed to teach you anything. School is supposed to provide an environment when you learn on your own, without the fear of failure. If you think getting an F in class is terrible, try getting an F in the real world.

There IS a fear of failure in school, especially college! You fail, you're paying more out of your pocket or you're stuck owing somebody something, regardless of where you go. There are even standards that apply to those on federal aid who are going to school. You fail or withdraw before a certain period, you owe the federal government money. Either that, or you get no more funding, and it comes out of your pocket from now on. You fail, you're screwed, unless you have wealthy parents/family members to bail you out.

Life fits the role you described more than school does. But by your standards, neither of those fit the role you described. Regardless of what you do, there IS a fear of failure, whether it's life or college.

I can understand someone giving their opinion on this issue of whether this school is a scam or not, and I appreciate those who do just that, but your views are completely warped, comical, and by your standards, everyone belongs in the same box with the same label on it, because life goes one way and one way only, and that's the way YOU see that it goes.

Sorry to disappoint, but none of us have any idea where life can take us, and that's the way life goes. That's how an "artsy" person like myself chooses to view the world.

 

[rexbobcat]

Delusion? No I never said college is for everyone, but if you have decided to attend college, pick one that actually challenges you.

I think you are under the delusion that you yourself gets to decide whether to get a F in real life. The point is not about getting an F or not. It's about how you are going to pick yourself up when you do, and college provides an environment for you to experience it.

Dahrol, I wasn't talking about community college. I am talking about real ones. Four-year undergrad bachelor degree. Yes the total tuition fee is probably going to be much more than $46k. It's harder to get in as well because you need to compete for your place with an actual portfolio, but that's exactly why it worth fighting for, because instead of letting people tell you whether you "have the eye", you compete.

Lol
The only absolute on life is death, so technically nobody can decide whether or not you've succeeded except yourself. Just like nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission.

You alluded to failure in college being synonymous to being more likely to fail in the 'real world'. There are certain aspects of college that are easier and certain aspects that are harder to deal with than in the real world.

And you don't have to have a great portfolio unless you go to a dedicated art college. You can get the same degree at most schools with an art program and all you need is the money and the grades to transfer. The only time you really need a portfolio in public university is for graduate school.

I guess it depends on the college, but undergraduate programs in my experience just resemble a larger version of high school. College only resembles the real world in the fact that the student will probably HAVE to get a job to survive now. College is not necessarily a stepping stone to being awesome at life. Just look at the Wall Street Occupiers.

Why does everybody believe that college makes you overall just better at life? That's kind of a fallacy.

 

[cgipson1]

Not really.. but 46k for an associates? That seem pretty high! Average cost of an associates degree at a community college is around $10k... and some of the online schools (like Kaplan) are up to $30k. $46k seems really outrageous! You probably financed it through them too, didn't you? They make extra money on that too.... high interest rate usually....

I would really check around ... OUCH! You can get a bachelors for that at some schools in a good field like nursing.......

Where can I get a Bachelor's for 46k? :O

I'm going to a public university and it costs about 20k a year.

Ok.. I may be dating myself on that one!! but if you get an Associates from a accredited community college that will transfer to a public uni.. you can do it for about that. I did it for less than that... but that was also 30 years ago. I don't always claim to be right.. just most of the time!

 

[Billhyco]

so enough about whatever school your enrolled in.

what do you think about the photos you posted? clarity,color, camera location, emotion, story told...?

is there any way in the world that if you would not have mentioned it that we would know the Holocaust information? maybe more of a journalist pov?

 

[Tee]

Dahrol- the Art Institute's of (insert the city name) are notorious for ripping students off. In fact the AI of Pittsburgh was found guilty of giving the shaft and ripping people off. Do some google searches for all the law suits against them. I would highly recommend seeking out another photography school in your area. You are literally flushing 46K down the toilet.

About your images: when capturing people try to think about what the image will convey to your audience.

 

[Dahrol]

Dahrol- the Art Institute's of (insert the city name) are notorious for ripping students off. In fact the AI of Pittsburgh was found guilty of giving the shaft and ripping people off. Do some google searches for all the law suits against them. I would highly recommend seeking out another photography school in your area. You are literally flushing 46K down the toilet.

About your images: when capturing people try to think about what the image will convey to your audience.

That's Pittsburgh. That's not Indianapolis...

I'm asking for a negative review from someone who has done what they were supposed to do, completed the program, and didn't get squat from it. Notice I said COMPLETED the program. Not started, and then dropped out. Not started and then couldn't pay for the rest of it. Not started and half-assed everything they did.

Who has given their all into the institution but still didn't get a thing out of it?

 

[BlackJack7]

Dahrol- the Art Institute's of (insert the city name) are notorious for ripping students off. In fact the AI of Pittsburgh was found guilty of giving the shaft and ripping people off. Do some google searches for all the law suits against them. I would highly recommend seeking out another photography school in your area. You are literally flushing 46K down the toilet.

About your images: when capturing people try to think about what the image will convey to your audience.

That's Pittsburgh. That's not Indianapolis...

I'm asking for a negative review from someone who has done what they were supposed to do, completed the program, and didn't get squat from it. Notice I said COMPLETED the program. Not started, and then dropped out. Not started and then couldn't pay for the rest of it. Not started and half-assed everything they did.

Who has given their all into the institution but still didn't get a thing out of it?

Hey man I run the Art Institute of Neverland. Paypal me 30k and I will buy you a d7000, teach you how to take pictures, teach you how to use Microsoft paint, and get you a job after your 4 hour course!

Let me know. :thumbup:

 

[Dahrol]

Sure!

Link me to your website, show me your employment statistics, your facilities, work me up a payment plan, waive the application fee, waive the administrative fee, waive the housing security deposit, set my payments to around $144 a month, hook me up with some scholarships, get me transportation to and from your facility, set up an interview, give me a guided tour, match my payments to decrease the cost, purposely help me become declined for student loans, get me connected with other students, show me what success your alumni have found, and throw in a free USB drive, and you've got a deal.