How important is having an IBIS camera if you use already use IS lenses?

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  1. Derrel

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    Solar: you categorizing people who use stabilization as being incredibly lazy is what I would call piss-poor in discussing things. In this thread, I have even provided three photos, which were all made with a stabilized lens: from a boat in two cases and from Shore with a handheld one second exposure at night.

    My joke was making fun of your inability to see beyond your own narrow and limited view of this issue. I have been using a stabilized lens for roughly eighteen years now, and have given you examples of three situations in which stabilization is better than any tripod or other support system , and yet you continue in your condescending arrogance.

    I know how to discuss. Yet it seems that you are the one who, to use your own expression, is " piss-poor at discussing things". Why don't you directly address the three situations, which I have pointed out , in which stabilization is better than a traditional tripod? You apparently have not paid much attention over the past two decades as this argument about stabilization has been carried on all over the internet.

    Once again, I will say it plainly: a stabilized platform is much better than any other system yet devised when shooting from a moving platform ,be that platform a helicopter,a boat ,a tour bus,a car,or a motorcycle or a bicycle. I would love to see you and your work ethic, as you attempt to set up a tripod in a cramped sport fishing boat while salmon fishing on the open ocean. Apparently you also do not understand what it means to have a camera that can be stabilized against the buffeting effects of wind. Perhaps, you have never shot long telephoto photos in a truly windy area such as the wind surfing areas at Hood River along the Columbia Gorge,where gusts of up to 45 mile per hour wind create some of the best windsurfing in the world. Perhaps you have no idea what it is like to shoot slow speed 1/2 second to 1/6 second panning shots.

    Again, let me state unequivocally: image stabilization is better than a tripod in the above three situations 1) moving platform ,2)wind and 3) slow speed panning. We could add 4) people who have hand tremor.And yet you cling to your imagined superiority by using a tripod. Hubris is so unattractive in a real discussion, and so is the use of phrases like piss-poor and I would suggest that a giant mirror be held in front of your face before you utter that phrase again and direct it at me.

    We are now twenty years into the 21st century. I am glad that you are proud of yourself. You seem to me to be on the backside of technology. You can cling to your tripod all you want. I am sure it will serve you well. Others of us have stepped beyond our foundations in photography and have branched out ,and have embraced a new technology. Just as we did with things like electronic flash with high-speed synchronization, automatic ISO setting, and autofocus. Image stabilization is perhaps,in my opinion,the single greatest advancement in photography in the past 30 years. If you Solarflare are of a different opinion, then that is your right.


     
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    A huge heap of reasons IBIS is a bad idea... That reminds me of all the anti-autofocus arguments from the early 1990's. And all the arguments against automatic ISO setting, by people who do not understand fully and from their own actual experience what these two technologies can offer.
     
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    If in body image stabilisation (IBIS) is such a bad idea,why have several manufacturers decided to include it as a feature on their cameras?
     
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    Easy fix, I just added "Solarflare" to my ignore list.
     
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    OP, To answer your question quite simply: If you have an image stabilized lens, you do not need a body which has IBIS. One form of stabilization is quite sufficient.
     
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    +1

    I grew up with MANUAL focus, and now having used AUTO focus, I will not willingly go back to manual focus.
    Shooting sports is soooooo much easier with AF.
    And as my eyes get older, AF becomes even more valuable.

    Being an old foggie, and being overwhelmed by all the stuff that modern cameras can do, I had not used auto-ISO on my dSLR until quite recently. But dang, that is neat stuff :) It is now a tool in my tool box.
    I think one of you guys opened my eyes to it.
     
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    I like manual focus when I will control the horizontal. When I will control the vertical. When I can change the focus to a soft blur, or sharpen it to crystal clarity. In short, in an artificial, controlled setting. When something isn't entirely within my control I like autofocus even if I then override it once the automatic part has done its job. Even if the camera doesn't get it perfectly right, it'll get close to right very quickly, allowing for fine-tuning to be done quickly as well, and for particularly fast moving subjects it will probably do a better job than I will, especially wide-open where narrow depth of field really limits the area of focus.

    I like auto-ISO because I can get down to the business of aperture and shutter speed without now further having to worry about ISO. My relatively modern camera delivers good results even with high ISO, I don't need to overly concern myself with manually picking ISO.
     
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    Does this hold true for video? I was thinking about upgrading from the XT-2 to the XT-4 if it had IBIS. Thanks
     
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    I have a feeling that with lens IS and possibly IBIS to a smaller extent, video will very much depend on when the system was designed and what it was designed to do.

    In some review videos that I've watched, it's clear that with Canon's oldest EF and EFS lenses, the IS does not really allow for pan/tilt because the lens was designed for still photography, and any pan or tilt could be interpreted as unwanted shake. Newer lenses designed after video was a feature might not suffer this or might suffer it less. Canon in particular sells a line of cinema cameras that use EF/EFS lenses, so it's possible they want modern versions of those lenses to do IS. Then again, it's also possible that they expect the videographer or camera operator to have their own external means of stabilizing the rig, such that IS or not isn't a concern.

    If other camera manufacturers have popular lenses with IS that aren't really video-oriented, then IBIS and disabling the lens IS might make the most sense.
     
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    I've not heard of lens IS having to be designed for video (after all they have to stabilize the image in the viewfinder till the shutter is operated, so have to work for extended periods), but I know many earlier IBIS systems did not work for video at all - this is the case for all my Pentax DSLRs.
     
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    Some of the video reviews of lenses that I've watched show jerky operation when used for video during pan/tilt. Basically the IS is on and trying to compensate for intentional movements.
     
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    Combine the xt30 with the Fuji 16-80 and you’ll be good to go. The in lens OIS is incredible on this lens. I normally shoot at 1/500 or faster due to my own inability to hold steady but the 16-80 really does have the advertised 6 stops of stabilization. I’ve taken slow shutter waterfall shots without a tripod.
     
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