Solar: you categorizing people who use stabilization as being incredibly lazy is what I would call piss-poor in discussing things. In this thread, I have even provided three photos, which were all made with a stabilized lens: from a boat in two cases and from Shore with a handheld one second exposure at night. My joke was making fun of your inability to see beyond your own narrow and limited view of this issue. I have been using a stabilized lens for roughly eighteen years now, and have given you examples of three situations in which stabilization is better than any tripod or other support system , and yet you continue in your condescending arrogance. I know how to discuss. Yet it seems that you are the one who, to use your own expression, is " piss-poor at discussing things". Why don't you directly address the three situations, which I have pointed out , in which stabilization is better than a traditional tripod? You apparently have not paid much attention over the past two decades as this argument about stabilization has been carried on all over the internet. Once again, I will say it plainly: a stabilized platform is much better than any other system yet devised when shooting from a moving platform ,be that platform a helicopter,a boat ,a tour bus,a car,or a motorcycle or a bicycle. I would love to see you and your work ethic, as you attempt to set up a tripod in a cramped sport fishing boat while salmon fishing on the open ocean. Apparently you also do not understand what it means to have a camera that can be stabilized against the buffeting effects of wind. Perhaps, you have never shot long telephoto photos in a truly windy area such as the wind surfing areas at Hood River along the Columbia Gorge,where gusts of up to 45 mile per hour wind create some of the best windsurfing in the world. Perhaps you have no idea what it is like to shoot slow speed 1/2 second to 1/6 second panning shots. Again, let me state unequivocally: image stabilization is better than a tripod in the above three situations 1) moving platform ,2)wind and 3) slow speed panning. We could add 4) people who have hand tremor.And yet you cling to your imagined superiority by using a tripod. Hubris is so unattractive in a real discussion, and so is the use of phrases like piss-poor and I would suggest that a giant mirror be held in front of your face before you utter that phrase again and direct it at me. We are now twenty years into the 21st century. I am glad that you are proud of yourself. You seem to me to be on the backside of technology. You can cling to your tripod all you want. I am sure it will serve you well. Others of us have stepped beyond our foundations in photography and have branched out ,and have embraced a new technology. Just as we did with things like electronic flash with high-speed synchronization, automatic ISO setting, and autofocus. Image stabilization is perhaps,in my opinion,the single greatest advancement in photography in the past 30 years. If you Solarflare are of a different opinion, then that is your right.