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How much does an SD card affect quality of photos?

(b) provide writing speed - well also reading speed, but writing speed influences how fast photos can be stored on the card during actually shooting, while reading speed only helps with reviewing photos afterwards.

That "only" is a pretty big deal if you've ever shot a full weekend event that filled up 8 32 GB cards
 
If you've filled up 8, 32gb cards there is NO WAY you're ever going to recovery the cost of editing through that pile of monkey clicks.
 
If you've filled up 8, 32gb cards there is NO WAY you're ever going to recovery the cost of editing through that pile of monkey clicks.

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If you've filled up 8, 32gb cards there is NO WAY you're ever going to recovery the cost of editing through that pile of monkey clicks.
Oh sure you can. You simply view the contact sheet, quickly compare focus, dump a bunch that were slightly the wrong moment or slightly off focus. A weekend basketball tournament is that way. You don't edit every single image. Nobody I know who does any event, weddings, concerts, sports events, etc edits every single image.
 
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It seems that large cards fail more often. Maybe there is just more there TO fail, but it seems that when you read about card failure, it's never on an 8gb card... is there any truth to this?

It's difficult to test things like card failure rates with any degree of scientific strictness. I dunno...
I am currently shooting on 1, and 2-gigabyte SanDick cards I bought with my D2x, back when 2-gig cards were "big" and expensive...so, those are 10 years old now...and I am also shooting on a batch of 8-gig SanDisk cards I bought on Black Friday on 2009, so those are five years old. And I have a 9-yerar-old 4 gig SanDIsk, and a 2 year-old Lexar 4-gig I bought one day at Walmart. None of them have failed yet. One of the 8's went thru the washer and dryer. I ran one over with my desk chair wheel, denting it. That's why I say SanDisk CF cards are rock solid. I do not own any cards larger than 8 gig models.

I use the 8 gig cards to start, then switch to a 4-gig SanDisk and the 4-gig Lexar (camera has dual slots), and when those fill up, then I am down to 2-gig cards. For "me" a normal day is 700 frames, so I do not need that much shooting memory storage, usually 22, 23 gigs for a whole day is plenty.
 
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unpopular said:
It seems that large cards fail more often. Maybe there is just more there TO fail, but it seems that when you read about card failure, it's never on an 8gb card... is there any truth to this?

It's difficult to test things like cared failure rates with any degree of scientific strictness. I dunno...
I am currently shooting on 1, and 2-gigabyte SanDick cards I bought with my D2x, back when 2-gig cards were "big" and expensive...so, those are 10 years old now...and I am also shooting on some 8-gig SanDisk cards I bought on Black Friday on 2009, so those are five years old. And I have a 2 year-old Lexar 4-gig I bought one day at Walmart. None of them have failed yet. One of the 8's went thru the washer and dryer. I ran one over with my desk chair wheel, denting it. That's why I say SanDisk CF cards are rock solid. I do not own any cards larger than 8 gig models.
The only cards I've ever had fail were sandisk CF cards with the 7D. But those things were put through the ringer, since it was a studio and those cards were run through like 5X a week. And even then it was really just one batch we bought, our B&H rep mentioned that there seems to have been something wrong with that range of CF cards and they replaced them all at no cost.
 
There have at times, been some batches of CF cards that had issues. There have ALSO been numerous instances of counterfeit name-brand cards being sold in the US...SanDisk cards among them. THAT is one of the bigger concerns for me, actually.
Tutorial How to spot a fake memory card
Beware Counterfeit Memory Cards Being Shipped From Amazon Warehouses
One-Third of the SanDisk Memory Cards on Earth are Counterfeit

Note that these fake cards are often being sold on-line, as in "fulfilled by Amazon", through God-only-knows-what-outfit. I bought my memory cards, every single one, from Pro Photo Supply, or from Fry's....in-person, and from real stores (but I did buy a 4-gig Lexar from Walmart in an emergency!). There's a difference between buying from a real store with an actual reputation, and sending credit card information to some "outfit" located in who knows where, with the promise of being sold something...
 
I dropped a sandisk card in my sisters driveway. Found it a week later. Late winter, It was under snow, ice, freezing rain. Had likely been pushed around by a shovel, and driven over. I was able to access all the files instantly after I put it in my laptop, and I still use it now. Sandisk cards are excellent.

Btw, it was a 16gb 95mb/s SD.

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When they work, the quality of one SD (or CF) card over another brand is of no concern.
Au Contrair there Pierre! Rob Galbraiths extensive testing disputes that.

Rob Galbraith DPI CF SD XQD Performance Database

Many others have done similar tests that with newer camera bodies.
Take a cheap or no name brand or even a top name brand card with a slow write rate, stick it in the camera, hit the record button, many newer digital cameras also do video, and get a choppy video because the card can not keep up with the write speed of the camera. Choppy video is an image quality concern.
 
Does certain SD card have much affect on the quality of photos?
Thats exactly the point of digital: all data is either a 0 or a 1.

So if the card has the (analog) values 0.8, 0.3, 0.9, 0.7, 0.9, 0.1, 0.2 stored the data will still be retrieved as 1, 0, 1, 1, 1, 0, 0, making any data degredation much less significant than with analog recording.

Thus, either you still have the data - or its completely gone.

Thus all the SD card can do is
(a) provide data security - dont lose the data, possibly even under hardened conditions (long storage time, radiation, cold, heat, water, corrosion, ...)
(b) provide writing speed - well also reading speed, but writing speed influences how fast photos can be stored on the card during actually shooting, while reading speed only helps with reviewing photos afterwards.

That argument is very old and very misleading IMO. Yes, digital recording/playback is an on/off affair within the digital circuits. On/off is represented by a 1 and a 0 code. Signal/no signal. Works great on paper as theorized back in the 1930's when circuits couldn't process data fast enough to test the on paper theory. Real world conditions though suggest digital is not perfect and, in fact, can never be "perfect". Nor is analog perfect. What's very much not perfect is the conversion process which takes an analog waveform and converts it to a digital set of data points and then the digital process which returns the data to a usable analog signal.

Sample the same analog "write" signal five times and you'll find five different results of the A to D conversion. Sample five D to A conversions and you'll find five different "read" versions of the same data. Read/write errors, error correction, buffers, filters, aliasing, phase shifts, etc all place their stamp on "digital".

One aspect of digital which has always bothered me is the focus on one single piece of the digital pie. You cannot divorce the storage media from the write/read processing system. In general, I'd agree with the idea you typically get what you pay for, both in equipment and supporting devices. Paying more typically gains you tighter control over the processes which create the device. Fewer errors and more consistent performance over time are to gain.

However, any one device (a SD card) is simply a part of a system and it is the performance of the whole which is of concern to the end user. Since on paper specs are often misleading and incomplete, relying on the system's designer to suggest which individual components are best for their system is about the only way to begin. Canon suggests you use cards they have tested and approved for their cameras. Buy those cards and you'll likely have the best system performance from your camera. Buy something other than those cards and you have placed your money down and you've said you're willing to take your chances.

The idea "a file is a file" is not quite the truth either. As I have said in other such threads, a digital file is similar to a CD sitting on a shelf. What do you get from a CD sitting on a shelf? Nothing. It isn't until you place the CD into a processing system that you have anything tangible to speak of. For example, until Fuji began to produce cameras which didn't rely on a "conventional" sensor construction, the typical digital image file was constructed and deconstructed using an aliasing filter - a low pass filter - through which the data had to pass. Filters are known to cause phase shifts which in turn cause errors in the implementation of the data. Yet filters are also used to correct errors within the digital processing system itself. It's a classic Catch 22 when it comes to digital systems. Either you use a filter to correct the errors inherent in the system or you forgo the filter and allow those errors to pass unchecked to the successive circuits where those errors might even be compounded.

The debate over whether aliasing artifacts are more bothersome than the effects of the anti-aliasing filter will continue since many digital adherents believe digital was created as the perfect storage system and, therefore, what digital is on paper must be what digital is to the human perception systems. Yet the results of digital 1 and 0 data processed with the filter and without the filter yield quite different results; Non-low-pass filters explained Goodbye to anti-aliasing TechRadar

I would think the data as interpreted by such diverse systems would lead us to see that a file is not just "a file". It is the processing of the file by a system - both in read and write functions - which makes a significant difference in the end result. For the purposes of this thread, staying with the designer/manufacturer's suggested parts of that system is your best advice unless you have the actual test gear and knowledge to say otherwise IMO.

If you use a Canon system, buy the SD cards Canon has tested and approved. Buying a "faster" card simply means the system can buffer the data at a faster rate of speed. How fast do you require your camera to process data? If you are the rather typical photographer who shoots, reviews and then shoots again, you do not need a fast buffering action. If, however, you shoot in continuous frames and that buffering speed is important to your results, then spend the money for the faster card. For most of us, "fast" just isn't a requirement.

None of this really matters, and is more of an issue of output calibration than of recording medium. Translations to image data is independent of the analog output. I can apply a gamma correction to a file without even viewing the it. So no, digital information has value and meaning even if it's not viewed in an analog representation that I can readily interpret as an image.
 
Wow. Thanks for all the help everyone. Some of it's a bit over my head. But I'll get there eventually! :icon_thumleft:
 
Memory cards are about capacity (size matters and I'm not saying bigger is better), reliability and speed. Your camera creates the photos which to the memory card is just data/files. The type of card used has no effect what's being written on it as a file. That's up to the camera so to answer your question - the quality of your photos will not be diminished due to the low quality of the memory card.
 

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