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OrionsByte:

In terms of contemporary photography you are spot on, but for me as a rider I find the OG and especially the crop perplexing. For the average person these issues may not be present, but lets say the photo was in a BMX mag a lot of people would be confused. Just to me as a rider I like to see where one is coming from and going to. Additionally I like some scale in the photo, and thats something even the photo I posted of the miniramp air lacks. For example in my photo you can see that I am airing out and back into the same ramp. However its hard to tell how tall the ramp is or how high I am airing. Take a guess how high I am out of the ramp and how tall the ramp is.

A. 3 feet out of a 4 foot ramp?
B. 4 feet out of a 5 foot ramp?
C. 5 feet out of a 6 foot ramp?
D. 6 feet out of a 6 foot ramp?

Contrary to the way it looks, I am actually 6 feet out of a 6 foot ramp. The photo lacks any kind of real scale so its deceiving. had the photo been taken further back the scale of the ramp and the air would look MUCH larger. Unfortunitly the option does not exist since it was a tight indoor ramp.

Destin:
Man get yourself a passport and save yourself the massive drive. Joyride150 just opened up near toronto. Its a almost exactly like rays but about 50-65% the size. The park is only 2 hours from your place and its nearly as good.


i gotta agree, as a former bike guy i need to see the ramp and whats going on or its just a kid in the air. you dont know if he's 1'above the ramp or 10' dont know the entry or exit point. all things that really convey how good a guy is and what hes in the middle of.
 
OrionsByte:

In terms of contemporary photography you are spot on, but for me as a rider I find the OG and especially the crop perplexing. For the average person these issues may not be present, but lets say the photo was in a BMX mag a lot of people would be confused. Just to me as a rider I like to see where one is coming from and going to. Additionally I like some scale in the photo, and thats something even the photo I posted of the miniramp air lacks. For example in my photo you can see that I am airing out and back into the same ramp. However its hard to tell how tall the ramp is or how high I am airing.

I totally see your point, and I concede that I don't know anything about BMX photography specifically. I'm just trying to suggest that you can take a photo that demonstrates scale and context without throwing out the rule of thirds.

As an example, here's something that turned up when I did a Google image search for "BMX Photography": http://delarge.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/k2148259131.jpg

Notice where the bike and rider is? Right at an intersection of thirds. Yet scale and context, the elements that you find desirable, are still intact. That's all I'm saying - it's possible to have your cake and eat it too.

I think we're on the same page here, but I hope this clarifies my point a bit. If not, I'm honestly not interested in turning it in to a big deal, so I'll concede. :-P
 
OrionsByte:

You hit the nail right on the head. The only point that I was making is that in BMX related photos I would sacrifice the rule of thirds over cropping out the riders path. Anyways the example you posted is exactly the right idea when it comes to these style of photos. Anyways another good example is a photo of a rider sliding a rail, you would never crop any portion of the rail out of the photo, you must see where it starts and ends not only for motion continuity but for the sake of showing how hard the trick was.

Cheers mate
 
When shooting sport you don't have much time to mess about in Photoshop because the papers want the shots the same day or the next day so you need to get it right in camera
here are some that i have spent about 90 seconds in LR

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Great shots. :thumbup:

Note how the subject fills the frame, but the ROT was still used to create drama, tension, and space for movement within the image frame:

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Here the subject doesn't fill the frame, but the ROT was still used to create space for movement both down and to the left, also providing drama and tension.

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Great shots. :thumbup:

Note how the subject fills the frame, but the ROT was still used to create drama, tension, and space for movement within the image frame:

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Here the subject doesn't fill the frame, but the ROT was still used to create space for movement both down and to the left, also providing drama and tension.

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except for me, as a cyclist I find the photo of the guy on the bike rather boring. I want to see a little more of the bike in the photo, and a less awkward crop on his body. Maybe even a rider or two around him so you know the reason he is pushing so hard. It's not a bad photo, but as in my bmx photo it doesn't convey what is going on very well in my opinion. The surfing photo is great though.
 
Great shots. :thumbup:

Note how the subject fills the frame, but the ROT was still used to create drama, tension, and space for movement within the image frame:

1061718446_idiGn-M.jpg


Here the subject doesn't fill the frame, but the ROT was still used to create space for movement both down and to the left, also providing drama and tension.

1006037106_RRC7E-L.jpg

except for me, as a cyclist I find the photo of the guy on the bike rather boring. I want to see a little more of the bike in the photo, and a less awkward crop on his body. Maybe even a rider or two around him so you know the reason he is pushing so hard. It's not a bad photo, but as in my bmx photo it doesn't convey what is going on very well in my opinion. The surfing photo is great though.

:-P
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You should be making your photos look professional straight off the camera.


Says who? IMO it makes no difference to me whether you take a poor pic and make it look great or take a great pic right off the camera.

Aside from saving time the pic is still interesting and pleasing to the eye.

Now I try to make my photographs the best possible but on occasion I still use PP. I use it far less often now than when I started, however I enjoy the challenge and creativity of PP.

RjL
 
Straightened, added better dof and color corrected.


 
This turned into a great topic. I'm think we can mostly agree that it's rarely any one thing that makes a great image, aside from mind blowing subject matter anyway. I'd like to throw in some thoughts on what makes a professional looking image.

The basics need to be there: exposure, focus, colors, composition, etc. I hate to associate blur with professionalism, really it's more about subject isolation, and it just so happens that blurring backgrounds help isolate the subject. One thing in particular that strikes me about professional looking sports photos is an intimacy with the athlete. This is something you can't get with processing. The image above definitely looks more interesting than the original, but I'm not sure I wouldn associate that with a professional look, it's something you probably wouldn't see in a bmx mag.

Though we have no rules in photography, there is an unwritten rule about blur with motocross. People like to see a small amount of tire blur at the minimum. When the tires are frozen, it looks static, and motocross is definitely not about being static. I struggle with this myself, and typically error on the frozen tire side instead of the blurry image side, it sucks heading home with 500 blurry shots.

One thing that gdgary has going for his image in the first page is that nice low perspective. Whenever possible, show your viewers something they don't see from their everyday perspective. Give them a feeling like their down and dirty in the action, up close and personal. You can see the concentration on the man's face, you can see him defy gravity as he accelerates, it gives you a real feeling of action, that's mostly why I think it works, great isolation helps.

Another tip that might seem silly, but post pics at a good size when you post them. It's the same concept as an IMAX theater, a larger image makes you feel like you're in it more, nothing looks very interesting on a 9" tube television. I had one image I gave to a friend, I never viewed very large at home, but when he used it as his background on a 24" Dell, it looked stunning, a night and day difference.

I'll post a few that I like. I think they mostly work because of good subject isolation, action is just okay, colors are always nice in motocross, and some clouds rolling through at the right time added a bit of shadows that made things a little more interesting. I also think it helps to be able to see their 'faces', no back of the head shots, or obscured access to the 'eyes'.

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^ fantastic shots!

I also agree on isolating the subject. For me there are three main options in doing so: lighting, aperture and shutter (motion blur).

examples....

Shutter

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Lighting

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Aperture

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There is also perhaps a 4th way.... color

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/29414553@N02/
 
Cedew- excellent shots. I have gotten much better since starting this thread, and since shooting all my images in it. Unfortunately I haven't had a chance to shoot motocross or bmx again yet... snow sucks. But here are a few of my more recent sports shots:

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Alright... so some of those are from summer. But now I know what I'm looking for in a good sports photo more than I did when I started this thread..

Edit: excuse the watermarks on the first 2 photos. They are old ones that I no longer use, but i haven't changed a few gallleries on my site yet...
 
This is great information. I'm new to masks and wondering if Lightroom 3 has that ability. Can you recommend a site where I can learn more about this technique? Thanks.
 

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