If we, as TPF users feel the need to make a complaint to the admin...

[The_Traveler]

The new always carries with it the sense of violation, of sacrilege. What is dead is sacred; what is new, that is, different, is evil, dangerous, or subversive.

Henry Miller


All progress has resulted from people who took unpopular positions.

Adlai Stevenson


Discoveries are often made by not following instructions, by going off the main road, by trying the untried.

Frank Tyger


It's the same each time with progress. First they ignore you, then they say you're mad, then dangerous, then there's a pause and then you can't find anyone who disagrees with you.

Tony Benn


Things only improve when someone is dissatisfied with the status quo and works towards change.

Lew Lorton

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

This forum has so many problems going right now, I would be surprised if it lasts another 6 months...just my .02

Melodramatic much?

 

[Kerbouchard]

This forum has so many problems going right now, I would be surprised if it lasts another 6 months...just my .02

Melodramatic much?

Not particularly. When I wrote that, I still couldn't see half the posts because of people's signature lines, the buttons were all over the place, and it was very difficult to read any of the threads.

At least that part is fixed, now.

 

[tirediron]

OK, now that I'm a View attachment 14302 I will feel free to point out silliness of the rule not allowing images to be posted under the Fair Use Doctrine.

One of the rights accorded to the owner of copyright is the right to reproduce or to authorize others to reproduce the work in copies or phonorecords. This right is subject to certain limitations found in sections 107 through 118 of the copyright law (title 17, U. S. Code). One of the more important limitations is the doctrine of “fair use.” The doctrine of fair use has developed through a substantial number of court decisions over the years and has been codified in section 107 of the copyright law.
Section 107 contains a list of the various purposes for which the reproduction of a particular work may be considered fair, such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Section 107 also sets out four factors to be considered in determining whether or not a particular use is fair.

1. The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes
2. The nature of the copyrighted work
3. The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole
4. The effect of the use upon the potential market for, or value of, the copyrighted work

Fair enough for a member living in the US and displaying an image under the US fair-use legislation, but what about a member in India who wants to display the image of a photographer from Peru? Are the rules the same for them? Probably not. Understanding that the rules about posting images which are not your own seem annoying to some, it's easier in the long run for everyone to do it this way. Really, is that much harder to post a link?

 

[Kerbouchard]

OK, now that I'm a View attachment 14302 I will feel free to point out silliness of the rule not allowing images to be posted under the Fair Use Doctrine.

One of the rights accorded to the owner of copyright is the right to reproduce or to authorize others to reproduce the work in copies or phonorecords. This right is subject to certain limitations found in sections 107 through 118 of the copyright law (title 17, U. S. Code). One of the more important limitations is the doctrine of “fair use.” The doctrine of fair use has developed through a substantial number of court decisions over the years and has been codified in section 107 of the copyright law.
Section 107 contains a list of the various purposes for which the reproduction of a particular work may be considered fair, such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Section 107 also sets out four factors to be considered in determining whether or not a particular use is fair.

1. The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes
2. The nature of the copyrighted work
3. The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole
4. The effect of the use upon the potential market for, or value of, the copyrighted work

Fair enough for a member living in the US and displaying an image under the US fair-use legislation, but what about a member in India who wants to display the image of a photographer from Peru? Are the rules the same for them? Probably not. Understanding that the rules about posting images which are not your own seem annoying to some, it's easier in the long run for everyone to do it this way. Really, is that much harder to post a link?

Out of curiosity, there is something I always wondered about. What is the difference between somebody posting a youtube video and it autoembedding itself and somebody posting a link with image tags around it?

 

[tirediron]

OK, now that I'm a View attachment 14302 I will feel free to point out silliness of the rule not allowing images to be posted under the Fair Use Doctrine.

Fair enough for a member living in the US and displaying an image under the US fair-use legislation, but what about a member in India who wants to display the image of a photographer from Peru? Are the rules the same for them? Probably not. Understanding that the rules about posting images which are not your own seem annoying to some, it's easier in the long run for everyone to do it this way. Really, is that much harder to post a link?

Out of curiosity, there is something I always wondered about. What is the difference between somebody posting a youtube video and it autoembedding itself and somebody posting a link with image tags around it?

I honestly couldn't tell you, but I suspect that the answer may lie in the fact that YouTube has a EULA which covers that, while Joe Photographer who simply display his images on his website doesn't. Maybe?

 

[The_Traveler]

OK, now that I'm a View attachment 14302 I will feel free to point out silliness of the rule not allowing images to be posted under the Fair Use Doctrine.

One of the rights accorded to the owner of copyright is the right to reproduce or to authorize others to reproduce the work in copies or phonorecords. This right is subject to certain limitations found in sections 107 through 118 of the copyright law (title 17, U. S. Code). One of the more important limitations is the doctrine of “fair use.” The doctrine of fair use has developed through a substantial number of court decisions over the years and has been codified in section 107 of the copyright law.
Section 107 contains a list of the various purposes for which the reproduction of a particular work may be considered fair, such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Section 107 also sets out four factors to be considered in determining whether or not a particular use is fair.

1. The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes
2. The nature of the copyrighted work
3. The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole
4. The effect of the use upon the potential market for, or value of, the copyrighted work

Fair enough for a member living in the US and displaying an image under the US fair-use legislation, but what about a member in India who wants to display the image of a photographer from Peru? Are the rules the same for them? Probably not. Understanding that the rules about posting images which are not your own seem annoying to some, it's easier in the long run for everyone to do it this way. Really, is that much harder to post a link?

But this site and the server are based in the US and thus function under US rules - and the site isn't at risk for being sued - and I bet you can't find a site of any type - that has been sued for copyright violation when they were complying with the 'fair use' doctrine.

Lots of other countries have lots of other rules about photography that are much, much more restrictive than the US rules - and the site doesn't require members to follow them.
These are boogey-man gonna getchs in the dark responses to simple reality.

 

[tirediron]

But this site and the server are based in the US and thus function under US rules - and the site isn't at risk for being sued - and I bet you can't find a site of any type - that has been sued for copyright violation when they were complying with the 'fair use' doctrine.

Lots of other countries have lots of other rules about photography that are much, much more restrictive than the US rules - and the site doesn't require members to follow them.
These are boogey-man gonna getchs in the dark responses to simple reality.

True, but our membership is worldwide. Don't forget that ethics play into it too. Just become something isnt prohibited by law doesn't make it morally right...

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

 

[cgipson1]

But this site and the server are based in the US and thus function under US rules - and the site isn't at risk for being sued - and I bet you can't find a site of any type - that has been sued for copyright violation when they were complying with the 'fair use' doctrine.

Lots of other countries have lots of other rules about photography that are much, much more restrictive than the US rules - and the site doesn't require members to follow them.
These are boogey-man gonna getchs in the dark responses to simple reality.

True, but our membership is worldwide. Don't forget that ethics play into it too. Just become something isnt prohibited by law doesn't make it morally right...

Whose morality? Mine? yours? Some faceless entity?

 

[The_Traveler]

True, but our membership is worldwide. Don't forget that ethics play into it too. Just become something isnt prohibited by law doesn't make it morally right...[/QUOTE]

There is nothing unethical about Fair Use. That is exactly the point.
The site isn't fostering morality, it's just a silly rule.

Please note that Bitter has just posted what almost certainly is a copyrighted work.
Should he get kicked out also?

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

I drew it.
You can't use it!

 

[mishele]

True, but our membership is worldwide. Don't forget that ethics play into it too. Just become something isnt prohibited by law doesn't make it morally right...

There is nothing unethical about Fair Use. That is exactly the point.
The site isn't fostering morality, it's just a silly rule.

Please note that Bitter has just posted what almost certainly is a copyrighted work.
Should he get kicked out also?

YES.....kick his ass out!!!

 

[cgipson1]

True, but our membership is worldwide. Don't forget that ethics play into it too. Just become something isnt prohibited by law doesn't make it morally right...

There is nothing unethical about Fair Use. That is exactly the point.
The site isn't fostering morality, it's just a silly rule.

Please note that Bitter has just posted what almost certainly is a copyrighted work.
Should he get kicked out also?

YES.....kick his ass out!!!

SWEETIE! You are being a ************** **** *** ******* *** of a ********! Will you please ******* **** **** *****!

edit: dURNed FiLTer!

 

[mishele]

^^^^^I love it when you talk dirty.....=)