KInd of scared to post this.

[Alan92RTTT]

I am kInd of scared to post this. I was at and autocross event a few weeks ago and just messing around and took this picture.

what do you think?

So that's what the back end of a dodge looks like. I am used to seeing the front end of the dodges in my pontiacs rear view mirror.

I'm not going there this is a photography forum.

 

[Alan92RTTT]

IMO this it closer to right

DSC_1434 by alan92rttt, on Flickr

 

[mrpink]

No matter the color, the photo lacks composition and content. You cut the dodge emblem in half. The background has what looks to be a pregnant chick boxing another in a blue dress. Whoever said good use of DoF is incorrect, the mirror is the main "subject" and it is OOF, the tail lamp is actually in focus. It looks tilted counter clockwise.

There really is nothing positive to remark on in this photo. I am sure there is another from this meet that is much better.






p!nK

 

[Alan92RTTT]

Why does the background matter in the pic like this. Its not like I'm going to stage people for the blurry out of focus bit.

I probably should have cropped the the dodge emblem out. It was outside of the range of the 5000's viewfinder so I did not see it when I took the shot.


The rest I will disagree with. THe tail is the focus and its and level with the car as It can be.

 

[clanthar]

IMO this it closer to right

DSC_1434 by alan92rttt, on Flickr

Yep, that's closer to right than your original, but this image still has a blue/cyan color cast. Your opinion in this case is meaningless -- no offense intended -- I wouldn't put this much time into it if I didn't like the photo and I do. I think it's a good shot and an effective composition. Digital color is quantifiable so opinion has nothing to do with it; we're talking numbers. You don't have an opinion that 2 + 2 = 4. It is or it isn't. If the RGB values of a pixel are all equal that pixel is neutral. It can be white, black or grey, but it can't be red, blue, orange, green, cyan, etc. Every pixel in this photo can be measured. If you do that measuring, the elements of this photo that should be neutral aren't. That's not opinion that's numbers.

Now I understand that when the neutral elements of the photo are made neutral you find the color of the car is off. That's easy to explain. This is a camera processed JPEG. It came from a Nikon camera's EXPEED processor which is known to be wrong most if not all of the time. As I first noted, the odds the camera's image processor is off increases with high chroma colors -- like your car.

So, you want it right. The way to do that is to start by getting the neutrals neutral -- and you can measure that. Then you look at the color of the car and if it's wrong you can cuss out the camera and then fix that local color. It's late here (11:30) so goodnight. If you still want to fuss over this I'll be around tomorrow afternoon.

Take Care,
Joe

 

[Alan92RTTT]

Here is the thing most of the "neutrals" were not neutral that day. The last image is actually pretty close to the way things looked that day.


Because of the storms that were rolling in white was not white. Colors were off. IMO the idea of a picture is to capture either the photographers impression or the reality of the day. The day was not clear and brightly list. It was gloomy and overcast. While your edit is "correct" based on the math, thats not what it looked like. Even my last edit makes it seem brighter than is was.

 

[Dao]

Why does the background matter in the pic like this. Its not like I'm going to stage people for the blurry out of focus bit.

I probably should have cropped the the dodge emblem out. It was outside of the range of the 5000's viewfinder so I did not see it when I took the shot.


The rest I will disagree with. THe tail is the focus and its and level with the car as It can be.

I thought you were asking for C&C. I guess not.

As for the photo itself. It seems to be a little busy. And the main subject (I am guessing it is the Stealth is the main subject, not the mirror. I could be wrong since I am not 100% sure) do not stand out in the photo. There are a lot of distractions. The red car, people in the background, the light pole as well as the wiper.
As for the color goes, it is a little cold in my un-calibrated monitor. Maybe it is my monitor.

 

[shortpants]

The background has what looks to be a pregnant chick boxing another in a blue dress. http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/members/90722.html

I noticed that too. OP you should have taken a picture of that instead.

I don't have much else to say, I guess I'd like to see more of the car. It's too split IMO.





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[mrpink]

Why does the background matter in the pic like this.

The same reason the foreground matters. It is called composition. It is one of the many skills that separate a photographer from some dude with car and a camera.

I probably should have cropped the the dodge emblem out. It was outside of the range of the 5000's viewfinder so I did not see it when I took the shot.

But you see it now don't you? I don't understand "outside the range of the viewfinder", how is that even possible?

The rest I will disagree with. THe tail is the focus and its and level with the car as It can be.

Disagree all you want. If you are calling the tail section of the car your subject then you severely failed on this photo, the eye goes directly to the mirror, and then to the OOF boxing preggos. The "un-level-ness" of the photo is the least of concern.

I can see you are here to fight for a bad photo, not learn from it's mistakes. Good luck with that strategy.






p!nK

 

[MSnowy]

The background has what looks to be a pregnant chick boxing another in a blue dress.

I noticed that too. OP you should have taken a picture of that instead.
p!nK

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looks more like a girl taking a picture of another girl in front of a yellow car. and you guys call yourselves photograhpers

 

[Gaerek]

Why does the background matter in the pic like this. Its not like I'm going to stage people for the blurry out of focus bit.

I probably should have cropped the the dodge emblem out. It was outside of the range of the 5000's viewfinder so I did not see it when I took the shot.


The rest I will disagree with. THe tail is the focus and its and level with the car as It can be.

So according to you, the only problem with this pic is the Dodge emblem? Why even ask for C&C if you got it all right? You obviously think this is a great shot. If you don't want poeple to (rightly) tell you what's wrong, I suggest posting in the galleries, or better yet, showing your friends, family and co-workers instead. You'll get un-educated praise, and an ego boost. If you want help, actually listen to what the people here have to say...

Background matters for the same reason the subject, foreground, lighting, and any other element of the picture matters. If your background is too busy, it distracts from your subject (which is the case here). Too much of a plain background can over-power a subject as well. As a photographer, you need to be aware of everything thats in the frame. You could have waited for people to move. Maybe you could have asked the owner to photograph his car, and if he'd mind moving it to another place. If neither of those work, go find another subject where the background is working in your favor. Photography is a lot about patience. I've waited hours before to get a single frame. Had I tried to push things along, or rush, I would have missed an amazing shot. And about the emblem, you're using a DSLR, right? You understand that what you see through the viewfinder is exactly what is seen by the sensor? There is no paralax like from a P&S viewfinder, or a rangefinder camera. Even so, you should have been aware of it. And, even failing that, there's some cool tools you can use in Photoshop (or GIMP if free is better) called crop (you could have cut that part off) and clone (you could have removed it completely) that would have fixed the problem. There isn't an excuse for leaving in a mistake. Admit it, own it, and fix it!

Simply saying you disagree doesn't mean you're right...

 

[Alan92RTTT]

Why does the background matter in the pic like this.

The same reason the foreground matters. It is called composition. It is one of the many skills that separate a photographer from some dude with car and a camera.

Thanks for the answer. As is was intended to be blured I did not thinnk I need to to worry about the specifics.

I probably should have cropped the the dodge emblem out. It was outside of the range of the 5000's viewfinder so I did not see it when I took the shot.

But you see it now don't you? I don't understand "outside the range of the viewfinder", how is that even possible?

THe D5000 has a small viewfinder and I have found it does not always show all of what the sensor will capture.

The rest I will disagree with. THe tail is the focus and its and level with the car as It can be.

Disagree all you want. If you are calling the tail section of the car your subject then you severely failed on this photo, the eye goes directly to the mirror, and then to the OOF boxing preggos. The "un-level-ness" of the photo is the least of concern.

I can see you are here to fight for a bad photo, not learn from it's mistakes. Good luck with that strategy.

To learn from my mistakes their are two things required. 1) telling me what it wrong. 2) telling me how to correct it.

I know what intended when I took the shot. I do not see how the mirror is the focus. You do and have said so. This is a beginner forum that means the people here don't always see things the same way a more advanced person will. If you want to help don't stop with telling someone what they did wrong. They will do what I did and ignore the comment. Tell them how to do it right. clanthar did this with the white balance issue. He took the time to explain what was wrong, why its wrong and pointed me in the directing to be able to fix it. I respect his opinion and understand it.

You tore my images apart without explaining why tings are wrong or how to correct them. If you want to help and not get bad reactions when you tell some their work is ****, tell them how to fix it. Tell them why something is important.


I know it seems to be a strange concept BUT HELP THEM, don't just insult what they did. It something that works in the real world and on line.

Tell me things like how would you frame the picture to not make the mirror seem the focus but retain the basic image. (the background is a separate issue. I get the issue there. )

 

[mrpink]

If you want the tail section of the car to be the focus, frame it as such. More car, less background. p!nK

 

[shortpants]

The background has what looks to be a pregnant chick boxing another in a blue dress.

I noticed that too. OP you should have taken a picture of that instead.
p!nK

looks more like a girl taking a picture of another girl in front of a yellow car. and you guys call yourselves photograhpers

Yes my x-ray vision and blurry background decoder must be out of order. I'm a terrible photograhper and I think I need glasses.