Kit lens for weddings

[sobolik]

I agree with enzodm. There are LOTS of instances on here when a newb asks what type of lens to get, and veterans tell them to hold off with the nice glass until they understand how to lenses properly, and until they understand what type of lenses they NEED.

When nicer glass is suggested, it's usually because the OP describes their limitations and somebody will suggest something faster.

Then, often a cheap prime like a nifty fifty is suggested.

I don't really understand this 'shove steak down their throats' rhetoric.

"I don't really understand this 'shove steak down their throats' rhetoric."
Well then pay attention and be observant to what goes on in the forums.

A beginner will ask something like: "what do I need to do to get good photos of my family"

Inevitably someone will chime in with something like: "you should sell the slow lens and get a 70-200mm 2.8 as the extra speed blah blah blah"

IN ESSENCE WHAT THIS SAYS IS: IF YOU SPEND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS YOU WILL TAKE BETTER PHOTOS. Duh, Money can't buy you love, a better golf game nor will you take better photos of your kids.

"I don't really understand this 'shove steak down their throats' rhetoric."
Well then pay attention and be observant to what goes on in the forums.

Have you ever used a top of the range lens ? i'd like to see you shoot under these conditions from the back of the theatre if you check the settings you would see it's imposible

"if you check the settings you would see it's imposible"

What settings I find no EXIF data in this photo

"imposible" ????? Double the ISO with a kit lens and you have this shot.

 

[gsgary]

I'm sure he could get that and 4 other usable images in one photo with his 18-105.

What when i was shooting at 300mm at 1/125 (non IS)

 

[flea77]

"Low light weddings can be very difficult to shoot, I've seen some wonderful shots ruined by too slow of glass causing motion blur"

Who? pray tell gets married in the dark? Where the flash is typically not allowed. Modern cameras do have this thing called ISO ya know.

And WHERE? Are these acrobats getting married that move around rapidly?

"What exactly is it you are trying to prove with your posts anyway? That people shouldn't recommend good glass to beginners?'

Exactly. (except you said good glass where I say fast and expensive glass- mistaken missquote ? or deliberate misrepresentation?)
No more than people having any sense would highly recommend that beginning violin students need to buy a Stradivarius to get good sounds.

You know what, you are 100% right, no one should ever by pro level glass and all of you should immediately throw away all the pro level glass you already have. Then while you are at it, would you be so kind as to tell your customers that no one on the planet uses pro glass except me and have them PM me here

You really are naive enough to think that jacking up the ISO at a wedding is an acceptable tradeoff so you can use a kit lens?

You really believe a kit lens can get you the amount and quality of bokeh that a pro lens can? Really?

Not to mention build quality (because no one ever whacks their lens into anything when they use it daily to earn money), weather sealing (because no one ever splashes or spills anything at weddings, and it never rains, or the sprinklers never come on, etc), and of course the glass is not better or coatings better (that's all just a myth, ignore all the tests and benchmarks and photoshop plugins designed to try and fix all the distortion of the kit lenses etc).

You certainly are entitled to your opinion but to me your opinion ranks right up there with the people who were abducted by aliens. (hey, prove they weren't abducted by aliens!)

Allan

 

[sobolik]

You knee jerk fast glass types are now just getting to be tantrum trowing liars that make up what ever you want to believe, to include fabricating and putting words in other peoples mouths. (i.e liars) And other just stupid juvinile tantrum antics "to me your opinion ranks right up there with the people who were abducted by aliens"

Take a step back and ask yourself. Do you really learn. Do you really improve or do you just seize upon a crutch (fast glass) and stagnate forever.

Stop the tantrums and move on.

 

[Light Artisan]

You're so sure of yourself, yet can't produce 1 sample photo.

And now I'm a liar for ever recommending fast glass when I felt it would help?

 

[GeorgieGirl]

Take a step back and ask yourself. Do you really learn. Do you really improve or do you just seize upon a crutch (fast glass) and stagnate forever.

I don't see high quality glass as an issue for a beginner if that is their desire, and I dont see it as a crutch. Speaking of sharpness that many higher end lenses are capable of, that IMO is an important tool to eliminate the question of a soft focus or a lack of sharpness found in some lower end lenses.

If in the end the glass that has the tested credentials to provide tack sharp shots, provides shots that are not tack sharp, the the guy behind the camera is doing somehting wrong. For the beginner, the question of is it the lens is eliminated right off the bat, its not the gear, its the guy (generally speaking)

The biggest crutch for everyone is post processing as far as I am concerned.

 

[flea77]

You knee jerk fast glass types are now just getting to be tantrum trowing liars that make up what ever you want to believe, to include fabricating and putting words in other peoples mouths. (i.e liars) And other just stupid juvinile tantrum antics "to me your opinion ranks right up there with the people who were abducted by aliens"

Take a step back and ask yourself. Do you really learn. Do you really improve or do you just seize upon a crutch (fast glass) and stagnate forever.

Stop the tantrums and move on.

That's OK, at least I don't just group everyone who things fast glass has it's place in one large group, call them names, insult them, say they are wrong, and provide not one single answer to their questions or shred of evidence. Were you abducted? :lmao::lmao::lmao: Did the aliens use a kit lens on you? :mrgreen:

Allan

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

Awesome read!

 

[sobolik]

You're so sure of yourself, yet can't produce 1 sample photo.

And now I'm a liar for ever recommending fast glass when I felt it would help?

Dude, give it up. Take a time out and the tantrums will subside.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

You're so sure of yourself, yet can't produce 1 sample photo.

I know, right!

 

[flea77]

You're so sure of yourself, yet can't produce 1 sample photo.

I know, right!

Wait a minute, Bitter and I agree on something? Was 1/1/11 really when the world was going to end? Has that place frozen over finally? I don't know what to say!

Allan

 

[sobolik]

OH MY gOD ART WOLFE USE AN f4 LENS! GASP!

Given the remote locations that Art travels to, he ensures that he has backups of his equipment while also keeping an eye on volume and weight given the amount of hiking involved. "On many of these international trips, we are limited by the airlines as to how much we can carry, so we are always trying to find ways to reduce our load," said Wolfe, "but we also don't have a way to get replacement gear easily, so we have to be prepared for the worst." For the South Georgia trip, Art carried the following camera gear:

• Canon EOS 1Ds Mark II body
• Canon EOS 5D body
• Canon 16-35mm f/2.8L USM lens
• Canon 24-70mm f/2.8L USM lens
• Canon 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM lens
• Canon TS-E 90mm f/2.8 Tilt-Shift lens
• Canon 400mm f/4 DO IS USM lens

Travels to the Edge with Art Wolfe: Behind the Scenes

 

[flea77]

LOL, thanks very much for helping our cause, I see 2.8, 2.8, 2.8, 2.8 and f4 for only the 400mm (still a $6000 lens!). Not a kit lens one in the bunch, not even close.

Allan

 

[sobolik]

LOL, thanks very much for helping our cause, I see 2.8, 2.8, 2.8, 2.8 and f4 for only the 400mm (still a $6000 lens!). Not a kit lens one in the bunch, not even close.

Allan

"Not a kit lens one in the bunch, not even close."

And Art Wolfe is no where close to being a beginner asking for advise on how to take better photos of the dog and the kids. "not even close"

 

[gsgary]

"I don't really understand this 'shove steak down their throats' rhetoric."
Well then pay attention and be observant to what goes on in the forums.

A beginner will ask something like: "what do I need to do to get good photos of my family"

Inevitably someone will chime in with something like: "you should sell the slow lens and get a 70-200mm 2.8 as the extra speed blah blah blah"

IN ESSENCE WHAT THIS SAYS IS: IF YOU SPEND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS YOU WILL TAKE BETTER PHOTOS. Duh, Money can't buy you love, a better golf game nor will you take better photos of your kids.

"I don't really understand this 'shove steak down their throats' rhetoric."
Well then pay attention and be observant to what goes on in the forums.

Have you ever used a top of the range lens ? i'd like to see you shoot under these conditions from the back of the theatre if you check the settings you would see it's imposible

"if you check the settings you would see it's imposible"

What settings I find no EXIF data in this photo

"imposible" ????? Double the ISO with a kit lens and you have this shot.

This was shot at ISO3200 300mm F2.8 1/125 you would have to more than double it