Lightroom 6 is out.

[astroNikon]

yeah, i just don't like subscriptions. I have problems with commitment.

I don't like subscriptions either.
It's like car leases, renting etc ... it's never ending. It creates a consistent month to month cash flow for Adobe which boosts the bottom line and shareholder value, which, after all, is what it's all about.

 

[bribrius]

yeah, i just don't like subscriptions. I have problems with commitment.

I don't like subscriptions either.
It's like car leases, renting etc ... it's never ending. It creates a consistent month to month cash flow for Adobe which boosts the bottom line and shareholder value, which, after all, is what it's all about.

you could still buy cs6. In fact you might want to before they do away with all the stand alones and everything is a monthly fee. I am still pissed no one wants to send me a disc anymore.... Thankfully, i can't buy it. Because i don't even remember my adobe login in. Speaking of which, i forgot my apple log in too so somehow am locked out of my ipad. And yeah, my microsoft id, wtf was that again? This chit is enough to bang your head off a bridge abutment.

 

[bribrius]

the gizmo and software makers have control "issues"

 

[astroNikon]

the gizmo and software makers have control "issues"

cash flow... they want to make money from you.
But then I own stock ... so I want that share holder value, just not from me.

 

[Derrel]

i wish nikon would step up with a full equivalent photoshop program. Two of my cameras are nikons i would pick that up in a heartbeat.

Capture NX-D is FREE, for Windows and Macintosh...I have not tried it. But it can be downloaded in multiple, regional versions, in different languages here, where one selects his or her regional site: Nikon Imaging Global Site Capture NX-D

It is incredibly unlikely that Nikon will ever offer a pixel-level type editing program like Photoshop...

The conversion of RAW images is another matter entirely. There are a number of workers who want to be able to convert their RAW data in very specific ways, and then work on the images using other software. Adobe does a pretty good job, mostly, but there are people who feel like "other" RAW conversion software is better at getting the very most out of the capture data.

 

[Buckster]

yeah, i just don't like subscriptions. I have problems with commitment.

I don't like subscriptions either.
It's like car leases, renting etc ... it's never ending. It creates a consistent month to month cash flow for Adobe which boosts the bottom line and shareholder value, which, after all, is what it's all about.

I actually like the new subscription model from Adobe for my LR and PS needs, and now From Microsoft for the latest always up to date version of Office as well.

It's a lot easier and gives me a lot more comfort for me to include the $10 bucks as part of my known monthly budget and never have to deal with it again beyond that, than it is to suddenly pull the upgrade price out of nowhere whenever they decided to upgrade again out of the blue, which I did for many years.

I'm really big on my monthly budget. I budget every known item I anticipate needing to pay for in a very detailed budget spreadsheet and keep close tabs on it all. If I spend $3.95 at the dollar store, as soon as I get home I open up my budget to plug it in and review where I'm at for the month. If I forget to do it right away, there's a handy email reminder waiting for me with the amount and place.

The fewer monthly financial surprises there are, the more I like it; The more it keeps me in my comfort zone. That's a big plus for me on the subscription models of things.

These are all known monthly "subscriptions" in my budget:

Rent
Verizon
Doctor Visit
Internet Service
Medical Bills
Netflix
Backblaze
Blue Cross
Gasoline
Car Insurance
MS Office
Food
Save For Emergencies
Adobe

They're reliable. I KNOW the cost of each and I KNOW what that leaves me for the month to work with. To me, that's a good thing.

 

[bribrius]

yeah, i just don't like subscriptions. I have problems with commitment.

I don't like subscriptions either.
It's like car leases, renting etc ... it's never ending. It creates a consistent month to month cash flow for Adobe which boosts the bottom line and shareholder value, which, after all, is what it's all about.

I actually like the new subscription model from Adobe for my LR and PS needs, and now From Microsoft for the latest always up to date version of Office as well.

It's a lot easier and gives me a lot more comfort for me to include the $10 bucks as part of my known monthly budget and never have to deal with it again beyond that, than it is to suddenly pull the upgrade price out of nowhere whenever they decided to upgrade again out of the blue, which I did for many years.

I'm really big on my monthly budget. I budget every known item I anticipate needing to pay for in a very detailed budget spreadsheet and keep close tabs on it all. If I spend $3.95 at the dollar store, as soon as I get home I open up my budget to plug it in and review where I'm at for the month. If I forget to do it right away, there's a handy email reminder waiting for me with the amount and place.

The fewer monthly financial surprises there are, the more I like it; The more it keeps me in my comfort zone. That's a big plus for me on the subscription models of things.

These are all known monthly "subscriptions" in my budget:

Rent
Verizon
Doctor Visit
Internet Service
Medical Bills
Netflix
Backblaze
Blue Cross
Gasoline
Car Insurance
MS Office
Food
Save For Emergencies
Adobe

They're reliable. I KNOW the cost of each and I KNOW what that leaves me for the month to work with. To me, that's a good thing.

my list is a lot longer than yours. i am very jealous. You live a very simple life.

 

[bribrius]

i wish nikon would step up with a full equivalent photoshop program. Two of my cameras are nikons i would pick that up in a heartbeat.

Capture NX-D is FREE, for Windows and Macintosh...I have not tried it. But it can be downloaded in multiple, regional versions, in different languages here, where one selects his or her regional site: Nikon Imaging Global Site Capture NX-D

It is incredibly unlikely that Nikon will ever offer a pixel-level type editing program like Photoshop...

The conversion of RAW images is another matter entirely. There are a number of workers who want to be able to convert their RAW data in very specific ways, and then work on the images using other software. Adobe does a pretty good job, mostly, but there are people who feel like "other" RAW conversion software is better at getting the very most out of the capture data.

yeah i just downloaded it (again). I don't recall it being that much different from view nx though.

 

[Derrel]

Adobe figured that millions of OWNERS of Photoshop, and Lightroom, and other products, would willingly, on a couple months notice, just bend over and take it, to the tune of $50 a month, $600 a year, for life...that all their customers would, you know, just say,"WTF...I have no options...I'll tack on another bill to a credit card number Adobe holds on file and bills me on for the rest of my life."

Oooops! Apparently, people realize that they don't have to submit to extortion. Customers complained, by the millions, world-wide. Instead of needing to come out with regular updates to get new buyers...Adobe decided they could milk customers to the tune of $600 a year, for "whatever it is they offer".

And then, when Adobe was hacked (possibly in retribution for the $50 a month plan's imposition???), and millions and millions of user names AND passwords were compromised, all of a sudden, the price dropped from $50 a month, to $9.5 a month on a short-term contact basis. Huh...imagine that.

See...it works like this...a company opens negotiations with property OWNERS, tells them they will now become nothing more than temporary, month-to-month renters, telling these owners that their "rent" will be five times higher than what they [the company, the new landlord] are ACTUALLY willing to accept...



Not working out so well for the mud-house company now, is it?

 

[bribrius]

Adobe figured that millions of OWNERS of Photoshop, and Lightroom, and other products, would willingly, on a couple months notice, just bend over and take it, to the tune of $50 a month, $600 a year, for life...that all their customers would, you know, just say,"WTF...I have no options...I'll tack on another bill to a credit card number Adobe holds on file and bills me on for the rest of my life."

Oooops! Apparently, people realize that they don't have to submit to extortion. Customers complained, by the millions, world-wide. Instead of needing to come out with regular updates to get new buyers...Adobe decided they could milk customers to the tune of $600 a year, for "whatever it is they offer".

And then, when Adobe was hacked (possibly in retribution for the $50 a month plan's imposition???), and millions and millions of user names AND passwords were compromised, all of a sudden, the price dropped from $50 a month, to $9.5 a month on a short-term contact basis. Huh...imagine that.

See...it works like this...a company opens negotiations with property OWNERS, tells them they will now become nothing more than temporary, month-to-month renters, telling these owners that their "rent" will be five times higher than what they [the company, the new landlord] are ACTUALLY willing to accept...



Not working out so well for the mud-house company now, is it?

so what you are telling me is someone else hacked my adobe account and knows my password and i don't even know it anymore?

 

[Buckster]

Not working out so well for the mud-house company now, is it?

Ah, classic PS rant, man! Right up till this last part, where you lost me. Who is "the mud-house company"? I don't get the reference...?

 

[bribrius]

Adobe figured that millions of OWNERS of Photoshop, and Lightroom, and other products, would willingly, on a couple months notice, just bend over and take it, to the tune of $50 a month, $600 a year, for life...that all their customers would, you know, just say,"WTF...I have no options...I'll tack on another bill to a credit card number Adobe holds on file and bills me on for the rest of my life."

Oooops! Apparently, people realize that they don't have to submit to extortion. Customers complained, by the millions, world-wide. Instead of needing to come out with regular updates to get new buyers...Adobe decided they could milk customers to the tune of $600 a year, for "whatever it is they offer".

And then, when Adobe was hacked (possibly in retribution for the $50 a month plan's imposition???), and millions and millions of user names AND passwords were compromised, all of a sudden, the price dropped from $50 a month, to $9.5 a month on a short-term contact basis. Huh...imagine that.

See...it works like this...a company opens negotiations with property OWNERS, tells them they will now become nothing more than temporary, month-to-month renters, telling these owners that their "rent" will be five times higher than what they [the company, the new landlord] are ACTUALLY willing to accept...



Not working out so well for the mud-house company now, is it?

they are still missing out on money here. If they really wanted to fruck with people they could issue new versions for each generation of camera released by manufacturer. so you have to buy the newer versions when you buy a new camera, or if you own more than one make you have to pay "extra" for each additional support. see, they are hurting their stock value and passing up on revenue.

 

[astroNikon]

I track all my expenses too. I've been doing that since about 1984.
I can actually cancel my Verizon, cable, netflix, etc at any time with no penalty.

Since I 100% own my car, I'm not limited to contract restrictions on what minimal amount of insurance is required for a lease or loan. It saves money.

Since I don't do subscriptions, it increases my cash flow. As long as I look at what improvements I would use I can opt or not opt for an upgrade. Such as LR v5 - there really wasn't anything there for me. So I opted not to do it, saving money.

with Office, I own 2003, and a later version. I used to do development and owned the Select platform where you own everything Microsoft. In office there's few actual features one actually uses. So upgrade makes no sense to me. The main reason for upgrades is OS compatibility, security, etc. and I control that too.

There's alot of things I do to maximize cash flow for investments, hobbies, etc. Subscriptions would just drain that cash flow, though it would make everything "easier" it would strain finances a bit more to things I think are more important.

I don't have any financial surprises either. One doesn't have to buy something immediately just because someone releases it. Thus you can budget it.

So I totally understand your perspective.
Mine is just different.

I also have no idea what a mud-house is.

 

[bribrius]

I track all my expenses too. I've been doing that since about 1984.
I can actually cancel my Verizon, cable, netflix, etc at any time with no penalty.

Since I 100% own my car, I'm not limited to contract restrictions on what minimal amount of insurance is required for a lease or loan. It saves money.

Since I don't do subscriptions, it increases my cash flow. As long as I look at what improvements I would use I can opt or not opt for an upgrade. Such as LR v5 - there really wasn't anything there for me. So I opted not to do it, saving money.

with Office, I own 2003, and a later version. I used to do development and owned the Select platform where you own everything Microsoft. In office there's few actual features one actually uses. So upgrade makes no sense to me. The main reason for upgrades is OS compatibility, security, etc. and I control that too.

There's alot of things I do to maximize cash flow for investments, hobbies, etc. Subscriptions would just drain that cash flow, though it would make everything "easier" it would strain finances a bit more to things I think are more important.

I don't have any financial surprises either. One doesn't have to buy something immediately just because someone releases it. Thus you can budget it.

So I totally understand your perspective.
Mine is just different.

I also have no idea what a mud-house is.

my budget.

1. bills come in. wtf!
2. "hunny i need three hundred for...." wtf. wtf
3. daughter "hey dad......." wtf, wtf wtf
4. "sweetie we need....." wtf wtf wtf wtf wtf wtf wtf
5. another kid "Dad....." wtf. i freakn give up
6. bills come in again. wtf!


then i say the hell with it and go take photos...

 

[photoguy67]

Is it really necessary to have 3 pages of arguing over this? Can't we all just say, I don't agree with you, but that's okay.