Man trapped in car films himself being cut out with Jaws of life.

pixmedic · Mar 3, 2015

unpopular said:
eugenics makes me happy. what makes you happy?

Dianetics

kathyt · Mar 3, 2015

My opinion....he probably wouldn't have been recording it and posting it on the Internet if he were intoxicated. a.k.a evidence.
Also, immediately after a trauma (such as an MVA) we don't nessasarily want to give a whole lot of pain medication until we know if the patient is stable enough to do so. We need to be able to assess his alertness upon arrival to the ER. Plus, narcotics, such as Morphine, will decrease respirations and could actually cause additional respiratory distress.

kathyt · Mar 3, 2015

tirediron said:
I really wish that laws could be changed so that the first act by any first responder was to breathlyze someone in that situation; if they're drunk/stoned, then they get left where they are. If they figure out how to get out on their own fine. If not... oh well.

Say you had a son who had just turned 21. He was an excellent student, never breaks the rules, and basically an overall great kid. Then he decided to drink and drive ONE time. He makes one poor choice. Just one. An accident occurs, and he needs EMS NOW! What do you do? People make mistakes. It is a part of life. It is a part of growing up, and it is not the role of the first responders to judge. They are there to save lives in those very critical moments when it could be a life or death situation. There are those people who are repeat offenders that we see in the ER all the time that are escorted by the police, because they were pulled over for drinking and driving for the 10th time.....but that is a different story. It Illinois, we do a blood draw and tox screen, and they are off to jail. Simple as that. If they refuse blood work, they lose their license instantly.

tirediron · Mar 3, 2015

kathyt said:
tirediron said:

I really wish that laws could be changed so that the first act by any first responder was to breathlyze someone in that situation; if they're drunk/stoned, then they get left where they are. If they figure out how to get out on their own fine. If not... oh well.

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Say you had a son who had just turned 21. He was an excellent student, never breaks the rules, and basically an overall great kid. Then he decided to drink and drive ONE time. He makes one poor choice. Just one. An accident occurs, and he needs EMS NOW! What do you do? People make mistakes. It is a part of life. It is a part of growing up, and it is not the role of the first responders to judge. They are there to save lives in those very critical moments when it could be a life or death situation. There are those people who are repeat offenders that we see in the ER all the time that are escorted by the police, because they were pulled over for drinking and driving for the 10th time.....but that is a different story. It Illinois, we do a blood draw and tox screen, and they are off to jail. Simple as that. If they refuse blood work, they lose their license instantly.

That's a deliberate choice not a mistake.

qleak · Mar 4, 2015

tirediron said:
kathyt said:

tirediron said:

I really wish that laws could be changed so that the first act by any first responder was to breathlyze someone in that situation; if they're drunk/stoned, then they get left where they are. If they figure out how to get out on their own fine. If not... oh well.

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Say you had a son who had just turned 21. He was an excellent student, never breaks the rules, and basically an overall great kid. Then he decided to drink and drive ONE time. He makes one poor choice. Just one. An accident occurs, and he needs EMS NOW! What do you do? People make mistakes. It is a part of life. It is a part of growing up, and it is not the role of the first responders to judge. They are there to save lives in those very critical moments when it could be a life or death situation. There are those people who are repeat offenders that we see in the ER all the time that are escorted by the police, because they were pulled over for drinking and driving for the 10th time.....but that is a different story. It Illinois, we do a blood draw and tox screen, and they are off to jail. Simple as that. If they refuse blood work, they lose their license instantly.

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That's a deliberate choice not a mistake.

If you don't have a choice it can't be a mistake.

runnah · Mar 4, 2015

tirediron said:
That's a deliberate choice not a mistake.

But mistakes are bad choices by definition.

Braineack · Mar 4, 2015

You cannot prove that you exist or that you’re conscious.

runnah · Mar 4, 2015

Braineack said:
You cannot prove that you exist or that you’re conscious.

You can't prove I don't!

kathyt · Mar 4, 2015

tirediron said:
kathyt said:

tirediron said:

I really wish that laws could be changed so that the first act by any first responder was to breathlyze someone in that situation; if they're drunk/stoned, then they get left where they are. If they figure out how to get out on their own fine. If not... oh well.

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Say you had a son who had just turned 21. He was an excellent student, never breaks the rules, and basically an overall great kid. Then he decided to drink and drive ONE time. He makes one poor choice. Just one. An accident occurs, and he needs EMS NOW! What do you do? People make mistakes. It is a part of life. It is a part of growing up, and it is not the role of the first responders to judge. They are there to save lives in those very critical moments when it could be a life or death situation. There are those people who are repeat offenders that we see in the ER all the time that are escorted by the police, because they were pulled over for drinking and driving for the 10th time.....but that is a different story. It Illinois, we do a blood draw and tox screen, and they are off to jail. Simple as that. If they refuse blood work, they lose their license instantly.

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That's a deliberate choice not a mistake.

I said he made ONE poor choice. Do we let him die? Absolutely not. We as providers are not there to judge; we are there to do our jobs. Period.

pixmedic · Mar 4, 2015

What bugs me is when I bring in a geriatric code and the nurses are more interested in looking for the DNR that doesn't exist than they are treating the PT. I guess it seems silly to some people, but we brought in a 95 year old PT a few weeks ago that coded in route and I swear that PT got great CPR and ventilation.....until the hospital took over. They were all like, "the PT is so old, they should have a DNR"...

I don't give a flying **** what the circumstances are. If your in my truck the only thing that matters is that your a PT and I'm a health care provider.

tirediron · Mar 4, 2015

kathyt said:
...We as providers are not there to judge; we are there to do our jobs. Period.

I agree; 100%, which is why the decision should be made by someone outside of the medical profession and based on law, not emotion.

Braineack · Mar 4, 2015

rofl.

come on man.

tirediron · Mar 4, 2015

Braineack said:
rofl.

come on man.

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Braineack · Mar 4, 2015

You should start your own EMS service.

Every call you get, you'll send you legal team out first.

They when then bring the case up to a judge.

The case will get argued before him/her and once a descision is made, you can send your emergancy services.

You can call it: Corner.

waday · Mar 4, 2015

kathyt said:
tirediron said:

kathyt said:

tirediron said:

I really wish that laws could be changed so that the first act by any first responder was to breathlyze someone in that situation; if they're drunk/stoned, then they get left where they are. If they figure out how to get out on their own fine. If not... oh well.

Click to expand...

Say you had a son who had just turned 21. He was an excellent student, never breaks the rules, and basically an overall great kid. Then he decided to drink and drive ONE time. He makes one poor choice. Just one. An accident occurs, and he needs EMS NOW! What do you do? People make mistakes. It is a part of life. It is a part of growing up, and it is not the role of the first responders to judge. They are there to save lives in those very critical moments when it could be a life or death situation. There are those people who are repeat offenders that we see in the ER all the time that are escorted by the police, because they were pulled over for drinking and driving for the 10th time.....but that is a different story. It Illinois, we do a blood draw and tox screen, and they are off to jail. Simple as that. If they refuse blood work, they lose their license instantly.

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That's a deliberate choice not a mistake.

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I said he made ONE poor choice. Do we let him die? Absolutely not. We as providers are not there to judge; we are there to do our jobs. Period.

If someone is drinking and driving and they get into a similar situation, I think we should make him/her pay. Pay the salaries of the EMT/police/fire for the time they spent at the site. Pay for any gas/services required to treat him/her. Pay for any damages he made to property. Pay for all of that. Have it deducted directly from their paychecks.

Having tens of thousands of dollars worth of debt for drinking and driving will likely be enough of a punishment to stop a lot of that nonsense.