My little rant

[ShutterbugSarah]

You spend what you can afford to spend and what you choose to spend... your skill level or how you use what you choose to buy is irrelevant.

YES!!!

That's what I've been getting at the whole time...

 

[IByte]

OMG 6 pages and this thread is still going >&hellip;<

 

[manaheim]

You spend what you can afford to spend and what you choose to spend... your skill level or how you use what you choose to buy is irrelevant.

YES!!!

That's what I've been getting at the whole time...

but only when it's someone else picking on YOU because you have spent x$ with y skill level. It's ok if you do it to someone else. Hysterical.

I don't have to impress anyone, and if you don't like it, I don't care, this is just a little internet argument.

Well congratulations on not impressing pretty much everyone on TPF then.

Kudos.

I'm out.

Good luck.

 

[unpopular]

I feel I have a pretty reasonable position on this debate (which is old as dirt, btw).

All equiptment comes with some limitation, one way or another, a point and shoot is going to have poor high ISO performance and very deep DOF with little way around that. Photography by it's nature is limited, and the phtographer must, regardless of the equiptment he or she uses, chooses to use, can afford, whatever, work within these limitations.

A true measure of a phtographer's abilities is how effectively they can work within the limitations of the equiptment they use, and knowing what limitations they can expect. But a good photographer will be able to convey truth within any limitation, and find creative ways to express their world view regardless of the equiptment is available. Blaming a p/s limitations says nothing more than the photographer's own lack of vision.

 

[IByte]

That's what I've been getting at the whole time...

But he said in a few sentences.

 

[fotomumma09]

I feel I have a pretty reasonable position on this debate (which is old as dirt, btw).

All equiptment comes with some limitation, one way or another, a point and shoot is going to have poor high ISO performance and very deep DOF with little way around that. Photography by it's nature is limited, and the phtographer must, regardless of the equiptment he or she uses, chooses to use, can afford, whatever, work within these limitations.

A true measure of a phtographer's abilities is how effectively they can work within the limitations of the equiptment they use, and knowing what limitations they can expect. But a good photographer will be able to convey truth within any limitation, and find creative ways to express their world view regardless of the equiptment is available. Blaming a p/s limitations says nothing more than the photographer's own lack of vision.

Aside from this ridiculous thread, I absolutely love this quote!

 

[Austin Greene]

I absolutely agree that some cameras would be inappropriate to use for certain professional activities for most photographers, however, there are always people who can achieve extraordinary things with lower-end cameras that most professionals wish they could. If you can use an entry-level camera and deliver a product that your customer is happy with, then thats all you should care about.

As for me, I have been perfectly happy with my T3i. Do I plan on upgrading one day to a higher-end set-up? Sure thing, but am I so worried about being limited that I feel the need to drop $3,000 on a camera? Hell no. At least in my case, the T3i has been wonderful. Its got the same sensor and very comparable ISO capabilities as the 7D, along with a slew of other fully customizable functions. The bottom line is that I know my camera well enough to feel perfectly comfortable shooting right next to someone with a professional body in my comfort zone of wildlife.

If people stopped whining so much about their setup's pricetag, and focused more on learning their gear through and through, I suspect we'd be seeing much better photos all around. Half the people out there with a 7D, 5D, or equivalent higher end camera can't shoot worth a damn, so don't worry about them. Just focus on learning your gear and only expanding when you have truly reached its capacity for creative expansion.

At the end of the day you can think of it like this: Just because you've had a wonderfully flavorful and perfectly cooked meal doesn't mean you automatically assume it came out of a kitchen with stoves worth as much as most houses. In fact, most of the time it is the oldest and tiniest of kitchens that produce the best food.

 

[Crollo]

To me I believe its not the camera that makes the pictures, it's the photographer.

This cliche is thrown around all too often by amateurs who are desperately trying to justify their choice to not buy a half decent camera. It's fine if you're only a small hobbyist, but a good photographer will often hit the barrier rather quickly with what they can accomplish with entry level equipment, thus the 'trash talking' on entry level gear.
It doesn't matter how good you are as a photographer, you cannot take the same picture a hasselblad h4d-40 can get using an iphone.
Not unless you're intentionally butchering the hasselblad's capabilities to put it on even grounds with the iphone.

 

[2WheelPhoto]

+1, if it was the photographer and not the gear, not one pro would bother with the top shelf stuff.

 

[jamesbjenkins]

I'm a noob on here so I shouldn't probably be posting this but its something that thoroughly upsets me.

Camera snobs...
The ones with pro level cameras that completely trash talk entry level photographers. Acting like the persons $800 set up is childs play and can't be tolerated.

To me I believe its not the camera that makes the pictures, it's the photographer. I've been shooting with a bridge camera and I believe I can keep up with my friend with a T1i just because I know my camera inside and out. I don't need to spend thousands of dollars to have the perfect set up to be pleased with my pictures. Granted i'll have a D5100 in hand within the next 2 weeks. It's something that will help me achieve more with higher resolution...lol

Ending rant, I wonder if anyone will be paying attention to this.

"The proof is in the pudding". It doesn't matter how great the gear is if you don't know how to use it. Spending thousands of $$ on gear is irrelevant if the spender doesn't also spend the time and energy to match his/her skills to the requisite level required to properly utilize the tools. Trust me, It's VERY easy to make an image taken with a D3s look exactly like one taken with a D3000.

However, to your rant...I've spent a little over $10k on gear, but it definitely bothers me when all I hear a "pro" talking about is the 8 grand resting on his shoulder. Some things never change...

 

[DiskoJoe]

I'm a noob on here so I shouldn't probably be posting this but its something that thoroughly upsets me.

Camera snobs...
The ones with pro level cameras that completely trash talk entry level photographers. Acting like the persons $800 set up is childs play and can't be tolerated.

To me I believe its not the camera that makes the pictures, it's the photographer. I've been shooting with a bridge camera and I believe I can keep up with my friend with a T1i just because I know my camera inside and out. I don't need to spend thousands of dollars to have the perfect set up to be pleased with my pictures. Granted i'll have a D5100 in hand within the next 2 weeks. It's something that will help me achieve more with higher resolution...lol

Ending rant, I wonder if anyone will be paying attention to this.

Honestly your rant seems a bit snobby when you drop that you keep up with your friends with a bridge or t1i. Why throw your friend under the bus? Are they the camera snob you refer to? Why upgrade if you are up to par already?

I dont want to call you out but i do want you to think about what you are really saying here. Plus with cameras you usually get what you pay for but good gear and good skills are not the same thing. Plus you will end up spending thousands on gear for your 5100. There is no focusing motor so you will have to buy the more expensive lenses since you got the lesser motor.

 

[DiskoJoe]

I'm a noob on here so I shouldn't probably be posting this but its something that thoroughly upsets me.

Camera snobs...
The ones with pro level cameras that completely trash talk entry level photographers. Acting like the persons $800 set up is childs play and can't be tolerated.

To me I believe its not the camera that makes the pictures, it's the photographer. I've been shooting with a bridge camera and I believe I can keep up with my friend with a T1i just because I know my camera inside and out. I don't need to spend thousands of dollars to have the perfect set up to be pleased with my pictures. Granted i'll have a D5100 in hand within the next 2 weeks. It's something that will help me achieve more with higher resolution...lol

Ending rant, I wonder if anyone will be paying attention to this.

"The proof is in the pudding". It doesn't matter how great the gear is if you don't know how to use it. Spending thousands of $$ on gear is irrelevant if the spender doesn't also spend the time and energy to match his/her skills to the requisite level required to properly utilize the tools. Trust me, It's VERY easy to make an image taken with a D3s look exactly like one taken with a D3000.

However, to your rant...I've spent a little over $10k on gear, but it definitely bothers me when all I hear a "pro" talking about is the 8 grand resting on his shoulder. Some things never change...

I had a pro offer to let me shoot with his 1d mark iv at a wedding one day. I took one pic with it and was scared to do anymore. Way to much gear for me but iso 12800 is pretty freaking awesome.

 

[unpopular]

+1, if it was the photographer and not the gear, not one pro would bother with the top shelf stuff.

It's about limitations, not abilities. It will be much harder to shoot in diverse conditions and while meeting client expectations with anything less than the least restrictive equiptment. Just as every camera has it's limitations, so does every photographer, and no photographer would forego a paying client at she expense of equiptment chosen simply because he or she lacks the skill to make do with what works.

That and 90% of professional photographers are nothing short of technicians.

 

[unpopular]

iso 12800 is pretty freaking awesome.

*sigh*

 

[jamesbjenkins]

iso 12800 is pretty freaking awesome.

if all goes according to plan, late this summer I'll be purchasing a D3s. I dream about that day... :lmao:

I certainly have no problem at all with people buying the best DSLR gear and shooting better pictures than me. Nothing pushes me more than seeing someone deliver an image that I can't deliver. Composition, exposure, sharpness, etc..... your gear can only take you so far.