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Note to self and all other xsi users...

Do you seriously have any idea how many professional photographers use primarily natural light and then fix everything in post???

Do you seriously have any idea how many professional photographers use both natural light and flash and get the exposure correct in the camera??? That's what you should be trying to learn.

I am trying to learn how to get everything right in camera using only natural light. That's what I've been trying to get answers on for the last week or so since I've been in my "slump"... All anyone can tell me is that my photos are underexposed... I'm shooting in aperture priority... The only "light meter" I have is the in camera one. I've been trying to find out what else I need to make natural light work for me. Apparently I don't have everything I need. I've posted for CC and I've gotten, "Nice shots!" or I've gotten, "They're under exposed." Nothing asking what I'm doing to see if anyone can help me figure out what I'm doing wrong, no questions are being asked of me for more details for anyone to try and help me... That's what I'm looking for. Apparently I'm in the wrong place to get that help...

Thankfully, I was able to get in contact with a professional photographer who is very local to me (Welcome to Linton Photography) and will be getting help from him and his wife. I will be second shooting weddings with them this season as well.

Do we really believe that REAL PROFESSIONAL photographers don't fix things like exposure mistakes and stuff in post? Do we honestly believe that professional photographers are perfect and get EVERYTHING right on every picture in camera???


Are you using exposure compensation ? if not how do you expect to get the expose correct
 
The only "light meter" I have is the in camera one. I've been trying to find out what else I need to make natural light work for me. Apparently I don't have everything I need. I've posted for CC and I've gotten, "Nice shots!" or I've gotten, "They're under exposed." Nothing asking what I'm doing to see if anyone can help me figure out what I'm doing wrong, no questions are being asked of me for more details for anyone to try and help me... That's what I'm looking for. Apparently I'm in the wrong place to get that help...
This is why it's necessary to have a sound fundamental technical undestanding of how photography, camera, and lenses work. So you look at your photographs, able to see what was wrong, rather than relying on other people to ask you for more details.

No, you're not in the wrong place, but IMO your attitude is. You should be proactive enough to provide EXIF data, focus mode, and what metering modes and whatever other details of the settings you are using if you want detailed critique or assistance, rather than making people query you for all that.

The 3 photos you posted don't have their EXIF data.
 
Are you using exposure compensation ? if not how do you expect to get the expose correct
We both know you can get perfect exposure with AV mode+spot meter ;). Just point it to medium tone :). If it is too bright, point at someting brighter LOL. I never find EC that helpful unless I use metering mode that covers larger area (evaluative/matrix).
 
Do you seriously have any idea how many professional photographers use primarily natural light and then fix everything in post???

Do you seriously have any idea how many professional photographers use both natural light and flash and get the exposure correct in the camera??? That's what you should be trying to learn.

I am trying to learn how to get everything right in camera using only natural light. That's what I've been trying to get answers on for the last week or so since I've been in my "slump"... All anyone can tell me is that my photos are underexposed... I'm shooting in aperture priority... The only "light meter" I have is the in camera one. I've been trying to find out what else I need to make natural light work for me. Apparently I don't have everything I need. I've posted for CC and I've gotten, "Nice shots!" or I've gotten, "They're under exposed." Nothing asking what I'm doing to see if anyone can help me figure out what I'm doing wrong, no questions are being asked of me for more details for anyone to try and help me... That's what I'm looking for. Apparently I'm in the wrong place to get that help...

Thankfully, I was able to get in contact with a professional photographer who is very local to me (www.lintonphotography.com) and will be getting help from him and his wife. I will be second shooting weddings with them this season as well.

Do we really believe that REAL PROFESSIONAL photographers don't fix things like exposure mistakes and stuff in post? Do we honestly believe that professional photographers are perfect and get EVERYTHING right on every picture in camera???

No offense to the photographer you linked to (especially considering I didn't venture too deeply into the site), but the first picture on the main page is a good indication that they're *not*, in fact, a professional. The wedding photo is completely exposed for the city in the background and the couple in the front are dark and severely underexposed. If you want to go for a silhouette that's one thing, but having the couple about 2 stops too dark is a middle-point that's just ugly.

As for what everyone else is saying...they're definitely right. If you want to learn how to fix your photos you need to learn how to explain what you did in the first place. Asking someone, "How is a 14-second quarter-mile time?" leaves us unable to answer unless we know what kind of car it was, how long the person's been driving, what kind of modifications the car has had done to it, etc...The same is true for photography.

Unless we know what settings you used for the photos, maybe what time of day, what angle to the sun/light source, or if you *used* another light source...we can't really advise you on what to do next time. You can't just ask for advice without telling us what you're doing *now* to have a reference point to start from.



And as for your original post: The XSi can easily do photos at ISO800 or even ISO1600 without too much of a problem. If you meter the exposure correctly the pictures can come out usable even straight ooc. With just a *slight* bit of noise reduction and PP you can print out 4x6 foot posters at ISO1600 (I've done it) without even having any noticeable noise problems.
 
I offer here an example of using natural light indoors without the aid of a flash. I wanted to shoot the pads of the cat's paw but they were in heavy shade due to bright back-lighting from the window. If I were to expose for her pads the perimeter & background would be blown out. Solution: hold my wife's hand mirror in one hand to reflect natural light into the dark side & shoot with the other hand.

Just a quick dirty example but may help you understand the benefit of reflectors.


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I offer here an example of using natural light indoors without the aid of a flash. I wanted to shoot the pads of the cat's paw but they were in heavy shade due to bright back-lighting from the window. If I were to expose for her pads the perimeter & background would be blown out. Solution: hold my wife's hand mirror in one hand to reflect natural light into the dark side & shoot with the other hand.

Just a quick dirty example but may help you understand the benefit of reflectors.



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Nice one Ron, and one from me to show the benefits of flash
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Are you using exposure compensation ? if not how do you expect to get the expose correct

Now that you're asking that question, I'm wondering if I even know what EC is... I was under the impression that the little "meter" type thing that goes from -2 to 2 is EC. You can set it to take your pictures over or underexposed in increments of 1/3 stops... Right?

The only "light meter" I have is the in camera one. I've been trying to find out what else I need to make natural light work for me. Apparently I don't have everything I need. I've posted for CC and I've gotten, "Nice shots!" or I've gotten, "They're under exposed." Nothing asking what I'm doing to see if anyone can help me figure out what I'm doing wrong, no questions are being asked of me for more details for anyone to try and help me... That's what I'm looking for. Apparently I'm in the wrong place to get that help...
This is why it's necessary to have a sound fundamental technical undestanding of how photography, camera, and lenses work. So you look at your photographs, able to see what was wrong, rather than relying on other people to ask you for more details.

No, you're not in the wrong place, but IMO your attitude is. You should be proactive enough to provide EXIF data, focus mode, and what metering modes and whatever other details of the settings you are using if you want detailed critique or assistance, rather than making people query you for all that.

The 3 photos you posted don't have their EXIF data.

I was unaware that the images had their exif data. So I guess from now on I'll just copy/paste my complete exif data from my exif viewer when I post photos...

Are you using exposure compensation ? if not how do you expect to get the expose correct
We both know you can get perfect exposure with AV mode+spot meter ;). Just point it to medium tone :). If it is too bright, point at someting brighter LOL. I never find EC that helpful unless I use metering mode that covers larger area (evaluative/matrix).

I just checked on my camera and I've been using Evaluative metering. Should I be using a different type of metering?

I offer here an example of using natural light indoors without the aid of a flash. I wanted to shoot the pads of the cat's paw but they were in heavy shade due to bright back-lighting from the window. If I were to expose for her pads the perimeter & background would be blown out. Solution: hold my wife's hand mirror in one hand to reflect natural light into the dark side & shoot with the other hand.

Just a quick dirty example but may help you understand the benefit of reflectors.


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Thanks Ron :)

I am definitely going to be purchasing reflectors. I'll get to that later this evening. I have questions about what I should get with them too... I don't have an assistant to hold a reflector for me on photo shoots so I know I either need some kind of thing to hold it and someone in the photo lab at my college suggested some kind of frame that you can hold and it makes the reflector not floppy in the wind, etc.
 
Nice one Ron, and one from me to show the benefits of flash

I get the point that flash is important. I have one. I plan on learning how to use it. Hopefully the mentorship that I'm getting ready to start will help me get more comfortable with my equipment...
 
..... I wanted to shoot the pads of the cat's paw but they were in heavy shade due to bright back-lighting from the window. If I were to expose for her pads the perimeter & background would be blown out. Solution: hold my wife's hand mirror in one hand to reflect natural light into the dark side & shoot with the other hand.

Just a quick dirty example but may help you understand the benefit of reflectors.
So you used supplemental lighting as fill. :thumbup:
 
I would not use spot metering unless you use manual (and trully understand what to expose and where to set it on the meter). Using spot metering and aperture priority will bring you more trouble than help you.
 
I know that spot metering on my camera is still based on the center of the frame. But should I stick with evaluative?
 
I would not use spot metering unless you use manual (and trully understand what to expose and where to set it on the meter). Using spot metering and aperture priority will bring you more trouble than help you.

A solid understanding of how and when to use AE-L will cure a lot of those troubles.

I use center weighted 70% of the time, spot metering 25% and matrix the remaining 5%. I also use at least one flash whenever possible.





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Pink, my AE-L is manual setting LoL
 
Sarah, you’re dealing with light, and you already know that you have to have a certain quantity of it for the exposure to be “properly exposed”. As far as the camera is concerned, “properly exposed” is when whatever you’re metering off, is about 18% (some say it’s 15%, or even 12%, but let’s ignore the actual number for the time being). You have several metering modes on your camera: Evaluative, center-weighted, and spot.

Evaluative looks at the overall picture. Center-weighed looks at the overall picture, but gives more importance (weight) to the center. Spot metering looks only at the very center of the picture.

If your scene is more or less evenly lit, then evaluative is a good metering mode.

If the scene is more contrasty, or has rather strong differences in overall tone, then center-weighted metering is useful by pointing the camera at the most important part of the image, getting a reading off that, locking it it, and then recomposing to get a better composition, but having the right meter reading for your chosen subject. This approach assumes that your subject is not at the center of the frame (otherwise you would not have had to lock the exposure).

If the scene is very variable, and your primary point of interest is much darker or lighter than the rest of the scene, then the spot meter is the way to go, as it will allow you to set the exposure based on what the light on your primary point of interest is. For instance, you may be shooting a person with the primary light behind them (strongly backlit). If you use the evaluative meter, it will seriously underexpose the person (because their face is in shadow), as it “thinks” the backlit part has to be part of the average exposure. Center-weighted exposure will also not work well, as it will be influenced by the strong backlight. However, spot-meter reading off the face will give you the proper exposure for the face (and, allow the backlit portion to blow out, but you don’t “usually” care about that).

Remember, however, no matter what mode you’ve shot in, the meter is still trying to set the exposure so that its chosen area (whether large or small) is averaging to 18% grey. Now, what if your subject is darker or lighter than 18% grey? That’s when you dial in the exposure compensation. For example, suppose you’re shooting a dark-colored subject, and you’ve spot-metered off the subject and got a reading of 1/250 at f/8. Now the meter doesn’t know that you’ve aimed at a dark-colored subject, and will try to make that subject equivalent to 18% grey. You’ve got to tell the camera to adjust the exposure so that dark stays dark. Maybe a two-stop adjustment is necessary to do that. So although the meter says you need to expose at 1/250 at F/8, you dial in the exposure compensation of -2, and the actual exposure will now be two stops less (say, 1/1000 at f/8).

What if you’re shooting a snow owl? Well, the meter again gives you an exposure that is grey, but you know that the owl is white (say two stops whiter than grey). In this case, you’d meter off the owl, and adjust your exposure compensation to +2, so that the actual exposure is two stops higher than what the meter “thinks” it should be.

Exposure compensation only works when you’re in Av, Tv, or P mode. If you’re in manual mode, you tell the camera what the exposure should be, as you are in full control of all the exposure variables.

Another idea for exposure control, especially if you’re dealing with pretty static light, is to take a few shots at, above and below the exposure as recommended by the camera, check the histogram, decide which exposure gives you the best result, and then lock it in using the manual mode. Then, no matter whether you’re pointing at dark or light subjects, you will have the same consistent exposure. If your light changes, then your exposure has to change as well. But this approach allows you to establish a good exposure baseline and have a consistent set of shots.

It is not clear to me if you know how to read the histogram display on your camera, but it is one of the most valuable tools that digital photography gave to the photographer. Learn how to use it, and your exposure control will become much, much better.
 

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