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we talked over facebook, all is well again! lol
 
I understand other photographers not wanting to help the competition, but there's no need to be rude about it. All you have to say is "Sorry, but it's how I make a living, so I don't discuss it." You don't have to go off on someone. It's childish.
 
Interesting... After a lifetime of doing things photographic on my own, I decided to take some courses which allowed me to see where my skill level was relative to others, and to discover that while there were lots of things that I was good at, I also had gaping holes that I was not even aware off (ah, ignorance is bliss). One of the photographers encouraged me to join a local photo club. This club has about 150 members, and while many are beginners and duffers, there is a core of very competent amateurs and even a handful of working professionals. As with any collection of people, there are very helpful ones, jerks, pompous idiots, and superbly talented but humble people. In a relatively short time, you find out whose few, quiet words are better than gold, and whose verbal diarrea is to be avoided as self-aggrandizing blather. There are some who are hyper-competitive, and others who don't care to submit even though their stuff is amazing. I've notice that those who are stingy with their advice are usually relatively low down on their own learning curve, and therefore overvalue their recently-acquired knowledge. Life's too short to allow yourself to get bent out of shape by uncooperative people. But do make sure that those interacting with you also get something back, in thanks, recognition, support, or help in some other area.
 
Interesting... After a lifetime of doing things photographic on my own, I decided to take some courses which allowed me to see where my skill level was relative to others, and to discover that while there were lots of things that I was good at, I also had gaping holes that I was not even aware off (ah, ignorance is bliss). One of the photographers encouraged me to join a local photo club. This club has about 150 members, and while many are beginners and duffers, there is a core of very competent amateurs and even a handful of working professionals. As with any collection of people, there are very helpful ones, jerks, pompous idiots, and superbly talented but humble people. In a relatively short time, you find out whose few, quiet words are better than gold, and whose verbal diarrea is to be avoided as self-aggrandizing blather. There are some who are hyper-competitive, and others who don't care to submit even though their stuff is amazing. I've notice that those who are stingy with their advice are usually relatively low down on their own learning curve, and therefore overvalue their recently-acquired knowledge. Life's too short to allow yourself to get bent out of shape by uncooperative people. But do make sure that those interacting with you also get something back, in thanks, recognition, support, or help in some other area.

Best post EVER!
 
MWC= Mom with a camera. Ah Bitter how I love your freshness. :hug::

Btw that isn't sarcasm so please don't take it as such.
 
I just can't understand being like this.

Since I don't try to earn with my photos, I have not faced this problem but intuitively I would expect to not only get this type of reaction but I would expect to get more frequently than you seem to. Assuming a person is trying to live off of photo revenues (as opposed to a moonlighting situation for extra money), then any competition represents a real threat to all the things we hold dear, like putting food on the table, sending kids to college and even that mythical thing I've heard of called retirement. Personally, I'd be very reluctant to ask for any sort of help from a potential competitor out of simple sensitivity. Sure, they could have responded a little more diplomatically but maybe other stressors were at work that day besides one more innocent question from a competitor trying to raise her game.

What I would suggest is to look for ways to contribute back to the other other person you're dealing with. In your case it probably wouldn't be knowledge but maybe you can refer a client or two. The goal is to get them to see you as a non-threat or maybe even a benefit. Until you can accomplish that, I'd say this kind of response is not at all out of line.
 
I'm more of the type who would want to help out a competitor as a colleauge/peer also but could see her viewpoint. Its just two different approaches. Glad you worked it all out though.
 
I just can't understand being like this.

Since I don't try to earn with my photos, I have not faced this problem but intuitively I would expect to not only get this type of reaction but I would expect to get more frequently than you seem to. Assuming a person is trying to live off of photo revenues (as opposed to a moonlighting situation for extra money), then any competition represents a real threat to all the things we hold dear, like putting food on the table, sending kids to college and even that mythical thing I've heard of called retirement. Personally, I'd be very reluctant to ask for any sort of help from a potential competitor out of simple sensitivity. Sure, they could have responded a little more diplomatically but maybe other stressors were at work that day besides one more innocent question from a competitor trying to raise her game.

What I would suggest is to look for ways to contribute back to the other other person you're dealing with. In your case it probably wouldn't be knowledge but maybe you can refer a client or two. The goal is to get them to see you as a non-threat or maybe even a benefit. Until you can accomplish that, I'd say this kind of response is not at all out of line.

It can be a very lonely world out there when it's you against the world. However, if you can figure out how to cooperate with your competition (also known as "coopetition"), you'll find that the world becomes somewhat easier. One way is to outline who has claims to what (mine come from this part of town, your come from over there, and the ones in the middle are fair game for both), and a little mutual support (hey, I got a call from someone in your part of town - can you handle them? Or are you OK if I do it?), and (Hey, I got a big gig and need a backup - are you available if I give you 30%?). Of course, it the other person is a smuck, they will do what smucks do, and then you'll know not to cooperate with them. However, if they are decent, then it becomes a positive relationship. Cooperation between competitors happens all the time because over the years people have found out that unless you're #1 in a given market, it's always a lot easier when you can pool resources with others in the same boat.

Another way of looking at it is: are you and your competitor dividing up a fixed-size pie (ie, if they win, you lose), or can the two of you grow the pie so that neither of you loses. In many cases, the latter becomes true, as the two together can take on work that either one on his/her own couldn't handle.
 
there are all sorts of people in the world, it may have nothing to do with photography, she just may be harsh and edgy about life.
 
There was a Charity Fashion Show here in Columbus where I went to take some pictures since my sister was one of the models and I was sitting next a few photographers most of whom were really nice and helpful (I had never shot in a runway-type environment) but one of which was a complete ass. Now, this was a Charity show and all the photographers there except this guy had donated their time and photographs, so that sets the tone.

Any way, I was shooting at ~200m with my tamron lens which is wide open @f/6.3 @200mm and this guys shooting @f/2.8 (canon ef 70-800/2.8L) and I mentioned just as a causal comment that I wish I had glass like that it would make this a lot easier; not trying to get any help or anything, just a general conversation comment maybe even admiration for his gear.. So this guy take a photo then turn to me and says "its not the lens that does the magic" >_< :lmao:

Its not someone freakinh out or getting upset with me, but I just thought back to it when I read your story, makes me laugh to this day.
 
This is exactly what I was doing. I complimented her photo and then asked about her paper! lol Nothing more/less.
 
Wow... I assume this is on MM?
 
Maybe she uses something "special" (as far she is concerned) and thinks it gives her an edge and doesn't want to reveal it, or maybe she's had something bad happen to her before where someone took one of her "ideas" and used it, once bitten twice shy, like someone said before, you don't know where they are coming from.
 
I can understand if it was something totally original, but it was a woman in a dress with an anchor and a sailor hat, pinup style. Not really that original, I've seen it done 100 times before.
No it was on Facebook.... lol
 

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