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Discussion in 'People Photography' started by Evertking, Sep 10, 2019.

  1. smoke665

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    IMO the whole strap issue is getting off track from the OP. The first post indicated practice with an XP pen, and questioned if anyone had used the device. I for one am also curious about the device.


     
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    I learned years ago to use the mouse instead of a pen, but many other times I wished I had a pen that was pressure sensitive. I have not heard of the XP pen, only the Wacom tablet and its associated pen.

    in my experience certain operations are best done in three or four steps when using a mouse. This allows for more subtlety in operation. For example let's say we have a Dodge and we need a three stop lightning… I will do it in three steps of roughly .9 EV each
     
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    another issue is the amount of flow, and also the percentage of opacity…as well as the use of various tools. For example the tooth whitening feature in Lightroom works remarkably well when used at a much lower than standard percentage. When used at a low setting , You have plenty of time to go over the teeth. My usual practice is to count and I usually go six seconds on the upper teeth and six seconds on the lower teeth, at a pretty low setting. This prevents a total white out. In Photoshop when you are doing dodging etc. I'll like set the flow fairly low and the opacity at somewhere between 80 and 90% typically. it depends. At times you want the opacity at 100%, such as when blackening down a background or painting to white.
     
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    The biggest problem I have with my wireless mouse is the slight lag time on movement. I'm assuming you don't have that with a pen and tablet, plus the pressure sensitive option, has really made me think about a tablet.

    Cost wise it looks like the XP is in line with Wacom, maybe even a little less. How do the features compare?
     
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    I could not stand the time lag with a wireless mouse, and after about five months with wireless mice, decided to go back to a hardwired mouse.
     
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    @Evertking how about sharing some details on the XP. Size?? Speed?? Likes? Dislikes?
     
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    Hey Derrel - what year is it? I can't find my calendar! :p

    With apologies to the OP for the derailment... Derrel, I understand the point you are making. I am also aware that it's 2019, and that visible bra-straps are perfectly acceptable. My point is that I feel it looks messy and (whether it is or not, whether you agree or not), in my opinion, is in the same category as an upside ring. Had the model adjusted things such that the bra straps were laying flat and the tank-top straps laying centered on them, it might have been fine.

    Just because something is commonly done doesn't mean it's suitable for portraiture. Have you never clipped a garment behind a model because it didn't fit perfectly? Suggested that a young man remove his baseball cap or sunglasses? To me, this is the same. It's a minor detail, but, as I hope you would agree, the treatment of minor details is what separates good work from the average.

    The OP has produced some absolutely excellent work; without a doubt some of the better portraiture that we see currently on TPF. He asked for C&C, I responded with the C&C as I saw it. If we disagree, that's fine. The OP can consider both of our inputs and take some, any, or none as he sees fit. I don't believe however, that telling my opinion is wrong is fair.
     
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    it is not a minor detail. It is a major point of style, and I think it is insulting to impose your sense of what is appropriate as far attire goes This is not about a shirt that doesn't fit, this is about imposing your will upon your subject, your ideas of how to dress,on your subject. you wrote that it is "not appropriate". are you her father? Are you her boyfriend or husband? It is about as insulting as telling a man that he should add a necktie. your opinion is about asoutdated as The mandatory wearing of an undershirt with a button front shirt… Wearing of undershirts for men went out 30 years ago roughly, but old folks still referred to it as nasty for years. Just as my father called the Beatles those long-haired hippie dudes. Times change, but apparently some people don't… Seriously though, your point of view is old-fashioned and outdated and imposes a moral code upon women. imagine if she had gone braless ;Would it be your job as a photographer to tell her to put on a bra? Seriously though it's her bra. apparently you think it's her duty to conform to your 1960s birth ideas?
     
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    I meant, "Not appropriate from a portraiture sense" NOT from a moral sense.
     
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    I hated my wireless mouse and keyboard
    Didn’t even mention “straps”.

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    not appropriate? that is a moral judgment, No matter how you try to couch it. Seriously you may look at this as some little tiny thing, but I look at it as a really big deal, and that is why I have devoted so much attention to this. I think you're being a ______ .(there's no way to put it politely. You can fill in the blank with whatever two word pejorative that suits your fancy…)

    in your first post you wrote, "there's a reason it is called UNDERwear",and then later you wrote it would've been OK if she had made the straps flat. Well, they are flat. So what is wrong with the situation here? seriously I'm asking, WTF is wrong with the way she's dressed? I think you need to re-examine your whole attitude toward this issue . You write that her attire is "not appropriate"for portraiture... which in my estimation is "a moral judgment " that you are making. oh my god she's showing a little tiny bit of her underwear, so she must be what??? no you are definitely moralizing here, and yet you fail to see it. I suppose you feel really negative about logo t-shirts too, right? seriously I'm not just running the stuff to piss you off, but rather to challeng your sexist hegemony.


    Despite your protestations, you are making a moral judgment here, and it is not coming across as a good reflection on you. You have given us conflicting accounts of how you feel about this, and have tried to likened it to a mistake in the placement of a ring stone or the clasp of a necklace, but this is definitely something else. I'm tired of going back-and-forth with you about this. Make up your mind, And stop equivocating. we get it ...we got it the first time. You know, the time when you wrote "there's a reason it is called UNDERwear." seriously, it's 2019, and the sight of a bra strap should not cause you to impose your moral code on some woman who was probably born pretty close to the turn of this, century not the middle of the last century. i'm serious with the 1985 and 2019 references. You say you can't find your calendar…
     
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    I do not look at this bra strap issue as a thread derailement. The OP asked for c and c, And one of the moderators suggested that her underwear was inappropriate to be seen . If somebody is going to bring up his own opinion in a C in C, well he better be prepared to defend it.

    The original poster pretty much gave us carte blanche as far as C and C goes, And he provided us with no details on the XP pen which he used for retouching on this photo.

    There have been two people attempting to call this a derailment, and one of those people brought up a comment that was not received positively, and he is one of the two people calling this a "derailment", but it is a _direct addressing_of his comments in his post. Sorry to challenge, but I am not in the mood to let the morality police and the portrait experts go uncontested,unchallenged, and let ideas from decades past go without examination. As I wrote several times, it is no longer 1985 but rather 2019. We are almost two full decades into this current century and here we have some dude in his 50's telling us that it is inappropriate to see visible bra straps No, it is not...go to the mall today Had the original poster photographed a man with a beard, would one of the commenters have offered a c&c comment that the beard should've been trimmed more neatly, or shaved off? Seriously, you can call my response a derailment, but I'm not the person who brought this issue about visible straps up in the first place, but I am here to defend her right to dress as she wishes in her own portraits.
     
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