Photographer sued for refusing service

[o hey tyler]

I do not like gays. Is there a rule in life that says we have to like everyone?

No, but considering that you don't like gay people because they're gay is pretty stupid. They're still people, and they deserve equal rights.

Homosexual activists argue that same-sex “marriage” is a civil rights issue similar to the struggle for racial equality in the 1960s.

That's because there's a chasm of inequality that you apparently fail to see due to a distinct lack of intellect or tolerance.

First of all, sexual behavior and race are essentially different realities. A man and a woman wanting to marry may be different in their characteristics: one may be black, the other white; one rich, the other poor; or one tall, the other short. None of these differences are insurmountable obstacles to marriage. The two individuals are still man and woman, and thus the requirements of nature are respected.

Since when did marriage, a legal institution, become about the "requirements of nature?" It isn't. It's about allowing two people that love eachother unconditionally allowing to share the same rights as straight couples, because they deserve to be equal. Can a man who was castrated and a female who had her womanly parts sewed shut not be able to get married because it "doesn't mean the requirements of nature?"

Same-sex “marriage” opposes nature.

No, it doesn't. See above.

Two individuals of the same sex, regardless of their race, wealth, stature, erudition or fame, will never be able to marry because of an insurmountable biological impossibility.

Gee, I wonder how many straight married couples get married but never have children? Marriage isn't solely about reproduction, just FYI. Are you REALLY that ignorant or are you just trolling?

Secondly, inherited and unchangeable racial traits cannot be compared with non-genetic and changeable behavior. There is simply no analogy between the interracial marriage of a man and a woman and the “marriage” between two individuals of the same sex.

Because you don't believe people deserve equal rights? You're a bigot.

A few years ago we called these people perverts. Now society demands that we all not only put up with it, but openly embrace it.

Not now, not ever.

If by "a few years ago" you mean 50 years ago, then yes.

You are nothing but a bigoted fool.

 

[jwbryson1]

This is getting GOOD!

 

[o hey tyler]

I do not like gays. Is there a rule in life that says we have to like everyone?

Homosexual activists argue that same-sex “marriage” is a civil rights issue similar to the struggle for racial equality in the 1960s.

This is false.

First of all, sexual behavior and race are essentially different realities. A man and a woman wanting to marry may be different in their characteristics: one may be black, the other white; one rich, the other poor; or one tall, the other short. None of these differences are insurmountable obstacles to marriage. The two individuals are still man and woman, and thus the requirements of nature are respected.

Same-sex “marriage” opposes nature. Two individuals of the same sex, regardless of their race, wealth, stature, erudition or fame, will never be able to marry because of an insurmountable biological impossibility.

Secondly, inherited and unchangeable racial traits cannot be compared with non-genetic and changeable behavior. There is simply no analogy between the interracial marriage of a man and a woman and the “marriage” between two individuals of the same sex.

A few years ago we called these people perverts. Now society demands that we all not only put up with it, but openly embrace it.

Not now, not ever.

Marriage has nothing to do with sex. Nothing.
Gay people are after the same LEGAL rights marriage brings. They will have sex whether they are married or not. Just like straight people do.

Buzz. Wrong!

Look up the word marriage in the dictionary.

The social institution under ​

which

a man and woman establish their ​

decision

to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc.​

Yes, lets look up marriage in the dictionary. Mine's Miriam Websters, yours must be "skewed and biased."

a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage>

 

[bentcountershaft]

I really don't know what the fuss is anyway for some of these people. If you want the two guys that live next door to quit having sex with each other the best method is to let them get married and let it sort itself out.

On a more serious note, why is it that homophobes think about what other people do in their bedrooms so much? I had a guy trying to explain his narrow mindedness to me once and he was all, "...just thinking about what they're doing in there is making me sick." and I had to ask if he spent a lot of time thinking about all his neighbors' sex lives or just the gay ones.

 

[Haya.H]

So if a member of NAMBLA walks into a studio with a 6-year old boy, the photographer is legally bound to photograph the man and the boy having sex?

Im sorry but that is the craziest most pathetic comparison i have ever heard. That is NO WHERE near what the case was with the photographer and the gay couple. Having sex with a child is called rape. The child is 6 years old. how the hell is he to know right from wrong? As in the other case they are to adults that made a life desicion at an age where they can decide for themselves what they think is right. So to compare those to situations to each other is absolute ignorance.

 

[o hey tyler]

I really don't know what the fuss is anyway for some of these people. If you want the two guys that live next door to quit having sex with each other the best method is to let them get married and let it sort itself out.

On a more serious note, why is it that homophobes think about what other people do in their bedrooms so much? I had a guy trying to explain his narrow mindedness to me once and he was all, "...just thinking about what they're doing in there is making me sick." and I had to ask if he spent a lot of time thinking about all his neighbors' sex lives or just the gay ones.

Probably just the gay ones. Lets be logical here.

 

[Kerbouchard]

Okay, back to photography. Lets say a certain photographer has trouble with skin tones or lighting of black people. They know starting out that they won't be able to do the job properly, so they refuse. Was this discrimination? Possibly. Or was it a photographer who knew he didn't have the skills or experience necessary?

How about a hair stylist? I can think of many black hair stylists that are not comfortable working on white people's hair, and vice versa. Is that discrimination?

Or even something a little more close to the article. Let's say I am asked to do an Indian wedding...the full shebang. It can be 3 to 7 days of coverage and I've never done one before, don't know where I will need to be, and don't know what the important parts are. If I say no, can I now be sued for religious discrimination?

 

[Espike]

When I first came across the article, I had mixed feelings. I know that discrimination is wrong, and this person was wrong for discriminating on this couple based on sexual orientation. Conversely, I felt that a business owner should be able to do business with who he/she feels like. After reading some well thought out posts (and some really stupid arguments) I have realized that a business owner does not, and should not, have the right to refuse service based on who someone is.

 

[unpopular]

Marriage has nothing to do with sex. Nothing.Gay people are after the same LEGAL rights marriage brings. They will have sex whether they are married or not. Just like straight people do.

Buzz. Wrong! Look up the word marriage in the dictionary.

The social institution under ​

which

a man and woman establish their ​

decision

to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc.​

Yes, lets look up marriage in the dictionary. Mine's Miriam Websters, yours must be "skewed and biased." a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage

Well. Let's get to a real secondary persuasive source. According to The Abridged Blacks Law Dictionary. While Blacks does define marriage as "the legal union of a couple as husband and wife"

However, gender is not considered in the "essentials of being a valid marriage" which are as follows: 1) "the parties are legally capable of contracting to marry, (2) "mutual consent or agreement, and (3) an actual contracting in the form prescribed by law." Blacks makes no mention of Gay marriage, likely due to its lack of national recognition.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

Okay, back to photography. Lets say a certain photographer has trouble with skin tones or lighting of black people. They know starting out that they won't be able to do the job properly, so they refuse. Was this discrimination? Possibly. Or was it a photographer who knew he didn't have the skills or experience necessary?

How about a hair stylist? I can think of many black hair stylists that are not comfortable working on white people's hair, and vice versa. Is that discrimination?

Or even something a little more close to the article. Let's say I am asked to do an Indian wedding...the full shebang. It can be 3 to 7 days of coverage and I've never done one before, don't know where I will need to be, and don't know what the important parts are. If I say no, can I now be sued for religious discrimination?

Why wouldn't you want to learn about those things you don't know and expand your customer base?

 

[Trever1t]

I hate everyone equally and without discrimination.

That NAMBA or whatever question was really lame. No comparison. If I didn't want to shoot a gay wedding I would just decline the job without cause. Gay money is as good as straight money.

 

[yerlem]

Okay, back to photography. Lets say a certain photographer has trouble with skin tones or lighting of black people. They know starting out that they won't be able to do the job properly, so they refuse. Was this discrimination? Possibly. Or was it a photographer who knew he didn't have the skills or experience necessary?

How about a hair stylist? I can think of many black hair stylists that are not comfortable working on white people's hair, and vice versa. Is that discrimination?

Or even something a little more close to the article. Let's say I am asked to do an Indian wedding...the full shebang. It can be 3 to 7 days of coverage and I've never done one before, don't know where I will need to be, and don't know what the important parts are. If I say no, can I now be sued for religious discrimination?

It's not the same thing. Refusing to do a job because you don't have the skills is not the same as refusing to photograph black people because you feel "disgusted" by them.

 

[Espike]

Okay, back to photography. Lets say a certain photographer has trouble with skin tones or lighting of black people. They know starting out that they won't be able to do the job properly, so they refuse. Was this discrimination? Possibly. Or was it a photographer who knew he didn't have the skills or experience necessary?

How about a hair stylist? I can think of many black hair stylists that are not comfortable working on white people's hair, and vice versa. Is that discrimination?

Or even something a little more close to the article. Let's say I am asked to do an Indian wedding...the full shebang. It can be 3 to 7 days of coverage and I've never done one before, don't know where I will need to be, and don't know what the important parts are. If I say no, can I now be sued for religious discrimination?

I say no, because those are limitations based on your lack of experience, or technical ability.

 

[unpopular]

No. Because pedophiles are not a legally protected class.

So he should sue the government because he's being discriminated against.

You're acting like a teenager looking for a reaction. Having sex with a minor and photographing the act is the illegal part, not denying service to a pedophile.

 

[jwbryson1]

Gay money is as good as straight money.

Not true. I tried to pay for a meal the other night with my Gaymex card and there was a 5% "kicker" fee for paying with gay currency. Who knew?


My feeble attempt at humor. Crawling back under my rock now....