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Tim Tucker · Mar 1, 2016

All my comments are directly about a specific point that I continue to make clear, not at any individual.

The OP has software that reduced the background to what you see, so it's just a case of not doing it to the same extent.

Your perception, or how you see the image changes without actually changing the image at all. You can make the same image look different and dissimilar images look more the same then they are. Think outside the box, there are other places that you can put the black. You can achieve the same contrast and keep the fine detail at the bottom of the bird.

Photography is a visual art, you look at it. In fact the only real requirement is that you look. You see by observation. And not everybody's a photographer, some spend their time observing birds. They understand the complete plumage, they immediately see the difference in incomplete plumage, they instinctively understand the colours and how the shadows shift to the hue of the light reflected from the water. There is no understanding of photographic editing or colour theory involved. Just through careful observation of the birds in their natural habitat they have an instinctive understanding of what look convincing and what doesn't based entirely on their memory of what they've spent many hours observing. This is what I mean, seeing the image as others see it because not everybody sees it in the way you think they do. Not everybody judges with a casual glance, and not everybody is seduced by the contrast of the reduction of the background to black. To them it looks unrealistic and disjointed.

I'm trying not to be rude, but I am a little frustrated that you don't seem to understand that other's see thing differently, something that's always been plainly obvious to me. I've not talked about specific edits, simple and basic means just open your eyes and see the difference, see things that are obvious to others.

EDITED for clarity.

pixmedic · Mar 1, 2016

yea...i still only see a little difference between the two edits.
i mean, a little difference is there, sure...but more of a "pixel peeping" amount that anything worth this many posts over.
i dont know why you are so frustrated over a point that noone is denying, nor why you keep posting trying to prove a point we have already acknowledged as being accurate.
Tim, its not that we doubt what your saying, we just dont think its significant enough to make a fuss over.
for something that is "so obvious to others", you seem to have been the only person to mention it, so maybe its not as big a deal as you seem to feel it is.
im on a 27" IPS monitor calibrated with a colormunki display.

Tim Tucker · Mar 1, 2016

pixmedic said:
yea...i still only see a little difference between the two edits.
i mean, a little difference is there, sure...but more of a "pixel peeping" amount that anything worth this many posts over.
i dont know why you are so frustrated over a point that noone is denying, nor why you keep posting trying to prove a point we have already acknowledged as being accurate.
Tim, its not that we doubt what your saying, we just dont think its significant enough to make a fuss over.
for something that is "so obvious to others", you seem to have been the only person to mention it, so maybe its not as big a deal as you seem to feel it is.
im on a 27" IPS monitor calibrated with a colormunki display.

We discuss ideas about a subject which we have a passion for. There will always be mis-understanding and the rambling clarifications. Hopefully at the end you have different viewpoints expressed well that hopefully provoke thoughts and ideas. And there should always be passion and a difference of opinion.

pixmedic · Mar 1, 2016

Tim Tucker said:
pixmedic said:

yea...i still only see a little difference between the two edits.
i mean, a little difference is there, sure...but more of a "pixel peeping" amount that anything worth this many posts over.
i dont know why you are so frustrated over a point that noone is denying, nor why you keep posting trying to prove a point we have already acknowledged as being accurate.
Tim, its not that we doubt what your saying, we just dont think its significant enough to make a fuss over.
for something that is "so obvious to others", you seem to have been the only person to mention it, so maybe its not as big a deal as you seem to feel it is.
im on a 27" IPS monitor calibrated with a colormunki display.

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We discuss ideas about a subject which we have a passion for. There will always be mis-understanding and the rambling clarifications. Hopefully at the end you have different viewpoints expressed well that hopefully provoke thoughts and ideas. And there should always be passion and a difference of opinion.