Pinup Attempt - C&C Please!

[DGMPhotography]

Low contrast was the point... for those who missed that.

Thanks for the feedback y’all.

I didn't miss it, I was pointing it out as a drawback to your photograph. I never understand why you ask for feedback, because 99% of the time you respond to it with a level of disrespect and defensiveness. Just stop asking for it if you don't want to hear it.

Not sure why you keep saying that. I don’t recall being disrespectful in this thread at all. Just wanted to make sure everyone understood the intentions of this photo. But if the way I respond to things offends you so much, feel free to block me and save us both some time.

I'm just letting you know how your words come across 99% of the time that you respond to criticism from your peers on this site, and I'm not the only one who feel this way. It's your choice to take it in and reflect on it, or be defensive about it like you are most of the time whenever you receive feedback. It's no sweat off my back and I have no reason to block you, it's your prerogative to act so rotten towards the people who are giving you legitimate feedback. Not my problem.

The problem is I think you're reading too much into things. I believe critique is a two way street. I'm open to opinions, but I also like sharing why I do things and seeing if people can convince me otherwise, or I them. You may take it as disrespect, but that is not the intention. I just prefer to have a conversation as opposed to just taking what anyone says as absolute truth.

I don't like your "my way or the highway" attitude. Just because you have a preference for something you think looks better, doesn't mean it's right, and I think you deserve to be called out on that. You've acted like this with me, but also several other people I've seen.

Several times on this forum, I have had conversations where half the people in a thread will agree with my creative decisions, while the other half will swear they are objectively wrong.

There have also been many occasions that after a good discussion, the critic will make an excellent point and swing me to their side. Or I, them. But if you want to limit that discussion, then there is not room for that growth.

In this thread, specifically, I have taken the critique from John to heart (about the "flashed" look), and although Sharon is harsh, I agree with her that I need to get better at attention to detail. However, the amount of contrast for this shot was a creative decision, not a technical error, and that's why I spoke up.

Being defensive is saying, "you're wrong, I'm right," which I admit I used to do often in my early days on the forums. Now my response is usually, "thank you for your feedback - I did this because of this." And then it continues based on the conversation. I implore you to have a more open mind in dealing with different people and the way they best receive critique.

 

[DanOstergren25]

Low contrast was the point... for those who missed that.

Thanks for the feedback y’all.

I didn't miss it, I was pointing it out as a drawback to your photograph. I never understand why you ask for feedback, because 99% of the time you respond to it with a level of disrespect and defensiveness. Just stop asking for it if you don't want to hear it.

Not sure why you keep saying that. I don’t recall being disrespectful in this thread at all. Just wanted to make sure everyone understood the intentions of this photo. But if the way I respond to things offends you so much, feel free to block me and save us both some time.

I'm just letting you know how your words come across 99% of the time that you respond to criticism from your peers on this site, and I'm not the only one who feel this way. It's your choice to take it in and reflect on it, or be defensive about it like you are most of the time whenever you receive feedback. It's no sweat off my back and I have no reason to block you, it's your prerogative to act so rotten towards the people who are giving you legitimate feedback. Not my problem.

The problem is I think you're reading too much into things. I believe critique is a two way street. I'm open to opinions, but I also like sharing why I do things and seeing if people can convince me otherwise, or I them. You may take it as disrespect, but that is not the intention. I just prefer to have a conversation as opposed to just taking what anyone says as absolute truth.

I don't like your "my way or the highway" attitude. Just because you have a preference for something you think looks better, doesn't mean it's right, and I think you deserve to be called out on that. You've acted like this with me, but also several other people I've seen.

Several times on this forum, I have had conversations where half the people in a thread will agree with my creative decisions, while the other half will swear they are objectively wrong.

There have also been many occasions that after a good discussion, the critic will make an excellent point and swing me to their side. Or I, them. But if you want to limit that discussion, then there is not room for that growth.

In this thread, specifically, I have taken the critique from John to heart (about the "flashed" look), and although Sharon is harsh, I agree with her that I need to get better at attention to detail. However, the amount of contrast for this shot was a creative decision, not a technical error, and that's why I spoke up.

Being defensive is saying, "you're wrong, I'm right," which I admit I used to do often in my early days on the forums. Now my response is usually, "thank you for your feedback - I did this because of this." And then it continues based on the conversation. I implore you to have a more open mind in dealing with different people and the way they best receive critique.

The thing is, you asked for the criticism. You even agreed with someone else when they pointed out the same issue. You said "I was going for the flat lighting look - low contrast. But maybe that didn't come across as well as I hoped", and my intent was to reinforce that idea that it could use more contrast. So when you replied to me with a condescending "in case you missed it" response, rather than trying to have any sort of conversation about it, it comes across to me as a "my way or the highway" response that limits conversation, just like what you tried accusing me of doing. So I apologize if I misunderstood you based on that.

 

[DGMPhotography]

Low contrast was the point... for those who missed that.

Thanks for the feedback y’all.

I didn't miss it, I was pointing it out as a drawback to your photograph. I never understand why you ask for feedback, because 99% of the time you respond to it with a level of disrespect and defensiveness. Just stop asking for it if you don't want to hear it.

Not sure why you keep saying that. I don’t recall being disrespectful in this thread at all. Just wanted to make sure everyone understood the intentions of this photo. But if the way I respond to things offends you so much, feel free to block me and save us both some time.

I'm just letting you know how your words come across 99% of the time that you respond to criticism from your peers on this site, and I'm not the only one who feel this way. It's your choice to take it in and reflect on it, or be defensive about it like you are most of the time whenever you receive feedback. It's no sweat off my back and I have no reason to block you, it's your prerogative to act so rotten towards the people who are giving you legitimate feedback. Not my problem.

The problem is I think you're reading too much into things. I believe critique is a two way street. I'm open to opinions, but I also like sharing why I do things and seeing if people can convince me otherwise, or I them. You may take it as disrespect, but that is not the intention. I just prefer to have a conversation as opposed to just taking what anyone says as absolute truth.

I don't like your "my way or the highway" attitude. Just because you have a preference for something you think looks better, doesn't mean it's right, and I think you deserve to be called out on that. You've acted like this with me, but also several other people I've seen.

Several times on this forum, I have had conversations where half the people in a thread will agree with my creative decisions, while the other half will swear they are objectively wrong.

There have also been many occasions that after a good discussion, the critic will make an excellent point and swing me to their side. Or I, them. But if you want to limit that discussion, then there is not room for that growth.

In this thread, specifically, I have taken the critique from John to heart (about the "flashed" look), and although Sharon is harsh, I agree with her that I need to get better at attention to detail. However, the amount of contrast for this shot was a creative decision, not a technical error, and that's why I spoke up.

Being defensive is saying, "you're wrong, I'm right," which I admit I used to do often in my early days on the forums. Now my response is usually, "thank you for your feedback - I did this because of this." And then it continues based on the conversation. I implore you to have a more open mind in dealing with different people and the way they best receive critique.

The thing is, you asked for the criticism. You even agreed with someone else when they pointed out the same issue. You said "I was going for the flat lighting look - low contrast. But maybe that didn't come across as well as I hoped", and my intent was to reinforce that idea that it could use more contrast. So when you replied to me with a condescending "in case you missed it" response, rather than trying to have any sort of conversation about it, it comes across to me as a "my way or the highway" response that limits conversation, just like what you tried accusing me of doing. So I apologize if I misunderstood you based on that.

One, never said I was referring to you (I didn’t reply to you) and two, not sure how “in case you missed it” is condescending.

 

[Granddad]

Peace guys! I enjoy both your work hugely. Dan, DGM HAS mellowed a lot. (one each).

 

[DGMPhotography]

Grandad to the rescue.

 

[Rick Waldroup]

That's what granddads are for.

 

[AlanKlein81 20]

How about a caption?: "If you bring a straw, I'd be willing to share."

 

[Parker219]

What was the purpose / main goal if this photo session?

A photo to add to your portfolio? A modeling photo for her? A milkshake ad? An orange background shoutout?

Before I can give my c&c, I need to know what the photo will be used for.

 

[Vtec44]

It needs a bit of contrast!

I'm totally kidding! I don't photograph this style so I don't have much to say. It looks fun

 

[DGMPhotography]

Changed the color, and some other minor changes. Orange looked good to me at first (for some reason), but I think the pink works a lot better.

 

[texxter]

I am no expert or even knowledgeable about pinup photography so I have little to say.

I'd concur, however, with the comment above that showing her legs with high heels, a more curvy pose and an inviting gaze to the viewer may raise the temperature of the image and make it fit better into the genre. Also, she has pretty hair and that hat is not very.... pinup? Something more feminine or just a colorful head scarf may again connect with the genre strongly, if that's what you were going after. Thanks for sharing!

 

[DGMPhotography]

I am no expert or even knowledgeable about pinup photography so I have little to say.

I'd concur, however, with the comment above that showing her legs with high heels, a more curvy pose and an inviting gaze to the viewer may raise the temperature of the image and make it fit better into the genre. Also, she has pretty hair and that hat is not very.... pinup? Something more feminine or just a colorful head scarf may again connect with the genre strongly, if that's what you were going after. Thanks for sharing!

Thanks for the feedback.

I think we might have different impressions of what "pinup" is.

 

[texxter]

I think we might have different impressions of what "pinup" is.

As I said, I am completely ignorant about pin up photography, so I went to Google and searched for "pin up photography" images and got 100+ images, all of which seem to have this in common: (1) legs, (2) smiling at the viewer, (3) pretty hair with flowers or band, (5) sexy.

But whatever. Good luck with your pin up photography.

 

[DGMPhotography]

I think we might have different impressions of what "pinup" is.

As I said, I am completely ignorant about pin up photography, so I went to Google and searched for "pin up photography" images and got 100+ images, all of which seem to have this in common: (1) legs, (2) smiling at the viewer, (3) pretty hair with flowers or band, (5) sexy.

But whatever. Good luck with your pin up photography.

What's number 4? haha.

I typically don't show below the knee with my standing shots. I just don't like having the image being that tall. But maybe I should try going outside my comfort zone in that regard. I have some other photos that show the full body and may suit your definition of pin up better. Stay tuned!

 

[birdbonkers84]

I think we might have different impressions of what "pinup" is.

As I said, I am completely ignorant about pin up photography, so I went to Google and searched for "pin up photography" images and got 100+ images, all of which seem to have this in common: (1) legs, (2) smiling at the viewer, (3) pretty hair with flowers or band, (5) sexy.

But whatever. Good luck with your pin up photography.

What's number 4? haha.

I typically don't show below the knee with my standing shots. I just don't like having the image being that tall. But maybe I should try going outside my comfort zone in that regard. I have some other photos that show the full body and may suit your definition of pin up better. Stay tuned!

What's your definition of "pinup"?

Because it doesn't take a genius to do a bit of R&D with google search to find googles definition is different from yours...