Recommended Exposures by Ansel Adams

[DennyCrane]

Because his work is terribly amateurish.

 

[Petraio Prime]

Because his work is terribly amateurish.

Whose work, and what is the question?

 

[benlonghair]

You have no idea what you are talking about. I'm not making 'copies' by linking to images that are already visible on the internet. No copyright is being violated.

Note how nice I am being to you...you might try it some time.

You have no idea what I'm talking about because you obviously haven't read the forum rules.

Photos that you do not hold copyright on you are required to post a link to a website that DOES hold the copyright, not post the image.

I'm not nice to trolls, I try to insult them to the point where they start crying and leave permanently.

Because his work is terribly amateurish.

Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

 

[Petraio Prime]

You have no idea what you are talking about. I'm not making 'copies' by linking to images that are already visible on the internet. No copyright is being violated.

Note how nice I am being to you...you might try it some time.

You have no idea what I'm talking about because you obviously haven't read the forum rules.

Photos that you do not hold copyright on you are required to post a link to a website that DOES hold the copyright, not post the image.

I'm not nice to trolls, I try to insult them to the point where they start crying and leave permanently.

I am doubtful there is any issue of copyright here.

Do you always go around calling those people who disagree with bourgeois mentality 'trolls'?

 

[benlonghair]

I'm not nice to trolls, I try to insult them to the point where they start crying and leave permanently.

How does it work if you tell them your plan?!

If I troll him out in the first 4 posts in the thread, what am I going to do for the rest of my work day?

 

[Petraio Prime]

I'm not nice to trolls, I try to insult them to the point where they start crying and leave permanently.

How does it work if you tell them your plan?!

If I troll him out in the first 4 posts in the thread, what am I going to do for the rest of my work day?

Well anyone who posts pro-Adams zone stuff is a troll.

:greenpbl:

 

[Petraio Prime]

Salgado's images:

salgado - Google Search

 

[benlonghair]

You have no idea what you are talking about. I'm not making 'copies' by linking to images that are already visible on the internet. No copyright is being violated.

Note how nice I am being to you...you might try it some time.

You have no idea what I'm talking about because you obviously haven't read the forum rules.

Photos that you do not hold copyright on you are required to post a link to a website that DOES hold the copyright, not post the image.

I'm not nice to trolls, I try to insult them to the point where they start crying and leave permanently.

I am doubtful there is any issue of copyright here.

Do you always go around calling those people who disagree with bourgeois mentality 'trolls'?

First of all, if you didn't take the photo, you don't have rights to it, therefore are not allowed to post it directly at TPF. If you don't like it, leave. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

TROLL: In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response

This is useless without knowing what lighting conditions you are in, what speed film you have, etc.

On an unrelated point, every copy of that book should be burned. It's full of nonsense and lies.

Adams has done more to destroy any understanding of B&W photography than anyone ever. His books and ideas are total hogwash.

YOU'RE A TROLL BY DEFINITION.

 

[Petraio Prime]

You have no idea what I'm talking about because you obviously haven't read the forum rules.

Photos that you do not hold copyright on you are required to post a link to a website that DOES hold the copyright, not post the image.

I'm not nice to trolls, I try to insult them to the point where they start crying and leave permanently.

I am doubtful there is any issue of copyright here.

Do you always go around calling those people who disagree with bourgeois mentality 'trolls'?

First of all, if you didn't take the photo, you don't have rights to it, therefore are not allowed to post it directly at TPF. If you don't like it, leave. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

TROLL: In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response

This is useless without knowing what lighting conditions you are in, what speed film you have, etc.

On an unrelated point, every copy of that book should be burned. It's full of nonsense and lies.

Adams has done more to destroy any understanding of B&W photography than anyone ever. His books and ideas are total hogwash.

YOU'RE A TROLL BY DEFINITION.

Somehow I think this is off-topic.

I stand by what I said. Adams' zone system is a disaster. Almost everything he says is wrong. The thread was loosely about the zone system. I am permitted to criticize it, am I not?

 

[Lipoly]

Not trying to fan the flames, but it really seems like benlonghair is doing the trolling. I was interested while reading this thread until his rants started.

Petraio may be a bit harsh in his criticism of AA, but at least he is keeping his cool and not namecalling even when everyone keeps trying to trash his photos.

 

[benlonghair]

Somehow I think this is off-topic.

I stand by what I said. Adams' zone system is a disaster. Almost everything he says is wrong. The thread was loosely about the zone system. I am permitted to criticize it, am I not?

It's amazing how somebody so wrong can be one of the most famous photographers that ever lived. That's like saying Roger Federer is wrong about every aspect of his game. It's simply not true, and even if it was, he'd have forgotten more about the game than most people would ever know.

You can criticize when you can produce images that rival his quality (and critical acclaim) and publishing success, and if your examples posted here are any indication, you've got a looooooooooong way to go.

 

[Petraio Prime]

benlonghair, it really seems you are doing the trolling. I was interested while reading this thread until you showed up.

Calling someone a troll seems to be a stock response from some people who simply don't want to engage on the level of reasoned argument. Blind acceptance of anything is not good, and the extent to which the zone system dogma has penetrated educational institutions is appalling.

 

[Petraio Prime]

Somehow I think this is off-topic.

I stand by what I said. Adams' zone system is a disaster. Almost everything he says is wrong. The thread was loosely about the zone system. I am permitted to criticize it, am I not?

It's amazing how somebody so wrong can be one of the most famous photographers that ever lived. That's like saying Roger Federer is wrong about every aspect of his game. It's simply not true, and even if it was, he'd have forgotten more about the game than most people would ever know.

You can criticize when you can produce images that rival his quality (and critical acclaim) and publishing success, and if your examples posted here are any indication, you've got a looooooooooong way to go.

It's interesting you brought up Federer. He's a moron. He tries to play from the baseline on grass against better baseliners (Nadal and others). And loses. You need to play serve and volley on grass, like Sampras and McEnroe. If Federer had a brain he'd do it. He's just stubborn and stupid. (I have been playing tennis for 35 years, in case you are wondering, and I am a student of the game. I also occasionally teach tennis.)

Secondly, I have no interest in competing with anyone, and no interest in making photographs such as Adams did. I repudiate his whole aesthetic. Don't you get that? How many times do I have to say it? I do what I want to do, not what you want me to do.

 

[rusty9]

Somehow I think this is off-topic.

I stand by what I said. Adams' zone system is a disaster. Almost everything he says is wrong. The thread was loosely about the zone system. I am permitted to criticize it, am I not?

It's amazing how somebody so wrong can be one of the most famous photographers that ever lived. That's like saying Roger Federer is wrong about every aspect of his game. It's simply not true, and even if it was, he'd have forgotten more about the game than most people would ever know.

You can criticize when you can produce images that rival his quality (and critical acclaim) and publishing success, and if your examples posted here are any indication, you've got a looooooooooong way to go.

It's interesting you brought up Federer. He's a moron. He tries to play from the baseline on grass against better baseliners (Nadal and others). And loses. You need to play serve and volley on grass, like Sampras and McEnroe. If Federer had a brain he'd do it. He's just stubborn and stupid. (I have been playing tennis for 35 years, in case you are wondering, and I am a student of the game. I also occasionally teach tennis.)

Secondly, I have no interest in competing with anyone, and no interest in making photographs such as Adams did. I repudiate his whole aesthetic. Don't you get that? How many times do I have to say it? I do what I want to do, not what you want me to do.

yeah. federer is just terrible. he is ranked #3 nationally. he previously held the #1 spot for 237 consecutive weeks. he has made it to 22 grand slam finals. yeah. he just sucks.

gtfo troll

 

[Petraio Prime]

It's amazing how somebody so wrong can be one of the most famous photographers that ever lived. That's like saying Roger Federer is wrong about every aspect of his game. It's simply not true, and even if it was, he'd have forgotten more about the game than most people would ever know.

You can criticize when you can produce images that rival his quality (and critical acclaim) and publishing success, and if your examples posted here are any indication, you've got a looooooooooong way to go.

It's interesting you brought up Federer. He's a moron. He tries to play from the baseline on grass against better baseliners (Nadal and others). And loses. You need to play serve and volley on grass, like Sampras and McEnroe. If Federer had a brain he'd do it. He's just stubborn and stupid. (I have been playing tennis for 35 years, in case you are wondering, and I am a student of the game. I also occasionally teach tennis.)

Secondly, I have no interest in competing with anyone, and no interest in making photographs such as Adams did. I repudiate his whole aesthetic. Don't you get that? How many times do I have to say it? I do what I want to do, not what you want me to do.

yeah. federer is just terrible. he is ranked #3 nationally. he previously held the #1 spot for 237 consecutive weeks. he has made it to 22 grand slam finals. yeah. he just sucks.

gtfo troll

Hmmm. You didn't read what I said, obviously. If you lose trying to play the other guy's game (at which you are not as proficient), you're not very bright. I didn't say he was not a good player, I said he was a moron. The two are not incompatible.