Thanks all for the comments, I don't know about fighting them off, but a little wishful thinking never hurts anyone. The legs aren't bad for a 70 year old are they:thumbup: Your thoughts on the time of day are probably correct John E, but I had to travel 50Klms to get to this place, and fighting the traffic in and out of Brisbane early morning or afternoon is not my idea of fun anymore, so lunch time won out. Close but it is a 64 degree lob wedge. Ernie