Shooting in P mode

Steve5D · Dec 21, 2012

cgipson1 said:
Why that should be totally obvious!!! Is a "pro" who can shoot only in P or AUTO mode, really a PRO? NOOOOOOOO! That is my objection! It doesn't affect me except in a ethical, philosophical sense... OK?

I used to to be proud to be a "Professional Photographer"!! Now they are just a dime a dozen, and most are as useful as tits on a boar hog!!

Like I said, it can only affect you if you allow it to. Personally, it's simply not possible for me to care any less about what someone else calls themself. If they want to call themself a pro, the only ethics coming into question are theirs, not mine.I'd just simply prefer not to waste my time worrying about somoene else.

I used to play guitar professionally. I made far more money playing guitar than I did working my "day job". I don't think Eric Clapton or Jeff Beck ever lost too much sleep worrying about the fact that I referred to myself as a "professional" guitar player...

table1349 · Dec 21, 2012

HughGuessWho said:
The_Traveler said:

There is nothing that is more certain to set off a chicken fight than even hinting to a photographer that the way he/she learned to do things or the way they do things now may not be the absolute best way it can be done.

The mere expression of a contrary opinion - and maintaining it - just sets people off.

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Its not about how they learned or continue to do. Its their inability yo accept that some people are not stuck in the 70's and actually embrace the modern day.

Yep, got to love the embracing of the modern day. Just a small example.

[SIZE=+1]Todays kids cant tie shoes, do laundry[/SIZE]
The Chronicle Herald (CA) ^ | October 2, 2010 | BETH J. HARPAZ
Posted on Sun Oct 3 21:23:17 2010 by Immerito

NEW YORK Second-graders who cant tie shoes or zip jackets. Four-year-olds in Pull-Ups diapers. Five-year-olds in strollers. Teens and preteens befuddled by can openers and ice-cube trays. College kids who have never done laundry, taken a bus alone or addressed an envelope.
Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? And do we have only ourselves to blame? Or are some of these things simply the result of kids growing up with push-button technology in an era when mechanical devices are gradually being replaced by electronics?
Susan Maushart, a mother of three, says her teenage daughter "literally does not know how to use a can opener. Most cans come with pull-tops these days. I see her reaching for a can that requires a can opener, and her shoulders slump and she goes for something else."
Teenagers are so accustomed to either throwing their clothes on the floor or hanging them on hooks that Maushart says her "kids actually struggle with the mechanics of a clothes hanger."
Many kids never learn to do ordinary household tasks. They have no chores. Take-out and drive-through meals have replaced home cooking. And busy families who can afford it often outsource house-cleaning and lawn care.

Derrel · Dec 21, 2012

And yet...these same children can program VCR's, DVD recorders, and set-up computers, electonic accounts, and so on--that befuddle college graduates in their 60's...

Different skill sets....these same kids can type text messages with their phones inside of their POCKETS (seriously...), typing "blind"...meanwhile, college-graduate parents in their 40's can barely figure out how to set up a YouTube account...while their "nincompoop" children already have channels with hundreds of subscribers, and in many cases, their own self-shot,self-edited music videos and comedy parodies...

These same nincompoop kids can buy concert tickets, and register for college classes on-line....while their parent struggle to fill out bare-bones DMV forms using simple web-based interfaces...

Your point was what???

amolitor · Dec 22, 2012

Hardly any kids can dress a fresh-killed gazelle, almost NONE of them can make decent leather, and when it comes to digging up tubers with a sharp stick, they're USELESS.

Dave Devoid · Dec 22, 2012

We used to have similar debates on Dj and Production forums i frequented/Administered/Moderated. It was always focused around Turntables and vinyl and learning to mix with vinyl and that you were not a REAL Dj unless you have mixed with vinyl..

Some of the younger kids have never even seen vinyl, let alone mixed with it...Some of the younger generation are making 10's of thousands of pounds per gig and have never even laid eyes on a vinyl record.

It pretty much comes down to using what you have to the best of your ability and as long as you can grasp the fundamentals you can go far....

table1349 · Dec 22, 2012

QUOTE=Derrel;2807920]And yet...these same children can program VCR's, DVD recorders, and set-up computers, electonic accounts, and so on--that befuddle college graduates in their 60's...

Heck, I don't own a VCR anymore but I can still program one, as I can a DVD, a Blueray as well as my DVR and I have been not only been setting up computers for years, I have been programing since the mid 70's. P.M. me Darrell and I will send you instructions on how to get your VCR to quite flashing 12:00...12:00...12:00 :lol:

Different skill sets....these same kids can type text messages with their phones inside of their POCKETS (seriously...), typing "blind"...meanwhile, college-graduate parents in their 40's can barely figure out how to set up a YouTube account...while their "nincompoop" children already have channels with hundreds of subscribers, and in many cases, their own self-shot,self-edited music videos and comedy parodies...

You mean people still type text messages. I just speak into my blue tooth headset and text, surf the web, send e-mails etc. But since we are speaking photography, I can also change settings on the fly with out ever pulling a body away from my face to see what that new ISO, shutter speed, aperture and many other non menu settings. Not only can I change those settings, I have the skill set to know what setting(s) to change to achieve the desire results.

These same nincompoop kids can buy concert tickets, and register for college classes on-line....while their parent struggle to fill out bare-bones DMV forms using simple web-based interfaces...

Your point was what???

I don't even buy paper tickets any longer, nor do I get paper boarding passes, coupons or many of the other things that were done on paper in the old days. They are all on my iPhone. But I can still get them if need be with no problem and I know where to go to get them. As for filling out web based forms. I build em at work so filling em out is no problem.

So YOUR point was that you haven't kept you own skill sets up or what???

amolitor said:
Hardly any kids can dress a fresh-killed gazelle, almost NONE of them can make decent leather, and when it comes to digging up tubers with a sharp stick, they're USELESS.

Never killed a gazelle, but I have taken a number of deer and elk in my day. Dressing a deer or dressing a gazelle, still the same thing. I know how to go to the grocery store and buy that processed meat, but I also know how to process my own. I also know how to brain tan the hides. They are so much softer and supplier when brain tanned over chemical tanning. It is a time consuming and smelly process though.

As for digging up tubers with a sharp stick, well no reason to be all Appalachian about it. Grandma always had a large garden out on the farm that included potatoes. I always dug em up for her with a garden fork. No better eats than eating your own beef, chicken, fruits and vegetables. ( I also know how to fix a fork or shovel handle if it breaks. Useful skill when you garden.)

Dave Devoid said:
We used to have similar debates on Dj and Production forums i frequented/Administered/Moderated. It was always focused around Turntables and vinyl and learning to mix with vinyl and that you were not a REAL Dj unless you have mixed with vinyl..

Some of the younger kids have never even seen vinyl, let alone mixed with it...Some of the younger generation are making 10's of thousands of pounds per gig and have never even laid eyes on a vinyl record.

It pretty much comes down to using what you have to the best of your ability and as long as you can grasp the fundamentals you can go far....

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Yep, the tool(s) you use are pretty much inconsequential once you understand the fundamentals.

BrianV · Dec 22, 2012

To use "Program Mode" on your camera, select "P". Most have a Dial or Menu selection, and "P" stands for "Program" mode.

It means the camera will control shutter-speed and F-stop automatically. Some even focus the lens for you, and turn the flash on when required.

It does not mean that you have to write your own firmware to Program the camera. But it was nice to get paid for that.

skieur · Dec 22, 2012

amolitor said:
That takes no time at all. "Behind the Gare St. Lazare"

The subject is not out of focus, but is underexposed and heavily motion blurred. Without both of those, the image would be nothing. It could probably come up with other similar examples at a rate of about 1 per minute for as long as I cared to carry on. It's not all bloody Group f/64 out there.

I am not impressed by the photo, irrespective of its iconic nature and history. Even you had to point out that it was motion blurred. The problem is that motion blur is not as obvious to the viewer as it should be in the photo. The problem with the exposure and the use of black and white is that the subject merges with the background, which is a major weakness.

No motion blur, a sharp silhouette or even a sharp silhouette with motion blur in the legs would have been more interesting. More visual separation from the background would also improve the photo.

skieur

The_Traveler · Dec 22, 2012

Robert Capra, "Falling Soldier'

Sometimes the worth of a picture obliterates normal standards

amolitor · Dec 23, 2012

Oh, ok, so YOU don't like photographs with technical flaws, whatever those are.

That's quite different from what you suggested.

Derrel · Dec 23, 2012

Thanks to gryphonslair99--my VCR is now a functioning clock!!!! Woo-hooo!!!!!! If I call myself a professional DVD programmer, will charlie get his undies all in a wad because I'm now a pro DVD programmer? Can Steve5D play us a guitar soundtrack piece for this unfolding drama? Will amolitor write a cogent essay/post/diatribe describing the societal issues underlying this silly photo-menagerie? Will The_Traveler document the goings-on in a street photo? WOuld The_Traveler actually use P mode to shoot some of the pics?

PixelRabbit · Dec 23, 2012

amolitor said:
What if the technical defects are an integral part of the image? Maybe the impact of the image relies on the subject being out of focus and underexposed?

What IS a technical defect, anyways?

There is no such thing as a technical defect, artistically. There are only choices which support the image, choices which detract from it, and choices that do neither. There ARE technical defects when you're delivering specific product, as most professionals do.

I find this exchange between you and Skieur very interesting since many of my favourite shots rely on "technical defects".
This shot keeps coming to mind.

table1349 · Dec 23, 2012

Derrel said:
Thanks to gryphonslair99--my VCR is now a functioning clock!!!! Woo-hooo!!!!!!

skieur · Dec 23, 2012

The_Traveler said:
Robert Capra, "Falling Soldier'

Sometimes the worth of a picture obliterates normal standards

Interesting that they now say that the above photo: "Falling Soldier" was faked/staged. How Capa's camera does lie: The photographic proof that iconic 'Falling Soldier' image was staged | Mail Online

Logical since there is no visual indication of injury, or blood.

skieur