shooting raw?

[Josh66]

Yes, very similar to the difference between a .WAV and .MP3 audio file. Shooting in JPEG is a lot like recording something in MP3. It sounds fine but doesn't take heavy editing well.

Another analogy is ordering a sandwich at a restaurant. JPEG is the sandwich the waitress brings you. Raw is being able to take you sandwich back into the kitchen, change the wheat bread for rye, add some tomatoes, take off the sauce, pile more meat on, remove half the pickles......... and change your coffee to decaf.

Other than the piling on of the meat (and possibly the tomatoes), you make it sound like a bad thing, lol.

 

[manaheim]

What intrigues me about this is comparing the number of steps required to find this site, setup an account, login, post the message...

...vs. going to google and searching for it.

 

[LungFish]

What if they want to ask follow up questions and discuss it? You can't do that on a google search.

 

[manaheim]

What if they want to ask follow up questions and discuss it? You can't do that on a google search.

Yeah, no.

See, there's about 8,000 threads per month on this very topic on this forum... all searchable via google search.

And TRUST me, there is NO angle on this topic that has not been beaten TO DEATH on this forum.

 

[480sparky]

What if they want to ask follow up questions and discuss it? You can't do that on a google search.

I guess one needs to learn how to Google the correct search terms.

 

[LungFish]

Well if the OP had done the google search first it might be obvious that a new discussion wasn't needed, but they may not realise that.

Also, if the forum was restricted to discussions that were truly new, it would be very quiet.

 

[manaheim]

Well if the OP had done the google search first it might be obvious that a new discussion wasn't needed, but they may not realise that.

Also, if the forum was restricted to discussions that were truly new, it would be very quiet.

Not really.

There's quite a bit of new content on here daily, and there is quite a bit of stuff that is actually personalized. The "What camera should I buy" threads are kind of annoying because there's 8 trillion of them, but as long as there is some good discourse they are valuable to the OP because it's typically personal and therefore a new thread makes total sense.

Topics like "What is RAW?", "Is RAW worth it?" and the like are just rehashing the same old crap over and over again.

There are LOTS of threads like this ... and many of them could be answered by google, or heck even by reading your camera manual.

So yeah, again... to your comment... no.

 

[Buckster]

What if they want to ask follow up questions and discuss it? You can't do that on a google search.

Yeah, no.

See, there's about 8,000 threads per month on this very topic on this forum... all searchable via google search.

And TRUST me, there is NO angle on this topic that has not been beaten TO DEATH on this forum.

...including the one YOU'RE reiterating for the 8000th time, and yet you feel it's okay for you to go there yet again, but it's not okay for them to have the audacity to ask such questions in the first place.

For those who come here and ask these questions, it's only their first time. Your rearing up over it is kind of like a slut telling a virgin she's not allowed to lose her cherry because the slut's had enough sex already to last a lifetime.

Why does it pull your panties down if it comes up again and again anyway? How's it scrape any skin off your nose? After all, nobody's forcing you to participate in the discussion for the 8000th time.

 

[manaheim]

[edited because it was just too obnoxious]

Buckster... I'm calmy discussing something that I think is an issue with the quality of the forum. I'm not berating anyone or giving anyone too hard a time. I'm just calling out some statements that people often use as defense of re-posting the same stuff over anad over again and pointing out some holes in the logic. I think that's perfectly fine.

And really... in my 9,000 some odd posts, I've probably complained about people re-posting stuff MAYBE 100 times. Things get re-posted on this forum probably a hundred times a week. I think my ratio is pretty much a drop in the bucket and probably doesn't warrant you flying off the handle like that.

However... it's a free forum. Obviously if you feel the need to rail against me for calling out quality issues, in the form of calling out a quality issue yourself, I support that. I do, however, think you're being kind of an ass about it.

(There. That was slightly less obnoxious than my previous one.)

 

[Buckster]

[edited because it was just too obnoxious]

Buckster... I'm calmy discussing something that I think is an issue with the quality of the forum. I'm not berating anyone or giving anyone too hard a time. I'm just calling out some statements that people often use as defense of re-posting the same stuff over anad over again and pointing out some holes in the logic. I think that's perfectly fine.

And really... in my 9,000 some odd posts, I've probably complained about people re-posting stuff MAYBE 100 times. Things get re-posted on this forum probably a hundred times a week. I think my ratio is pretty much a drop in the bucket and probably doesn't warrant you flying off the handle like that.

However... it's a free forum. Obviously if you feel the need to rail against me for calling out quality issues, in the form of calling out a quality issue yourself, I support that. I do, however, think you're being kind of an ass about it.

(There. That was slightly less obnoxious than my previous one.)

None of that explains why you, or anyone else for that matter, should get their panties in a bunch over the fact that the same questions come up over and over because there is a constant stream of new people who have never asked them before. It's never going to stop, so why get in a tizzy over it? Learn to live with it. Either answer their questions or ignore them, but quit whining about it.

If you don't like the fact that it's a DISCUSSION board and noobs will always come here after a quick search and ask questions that have been asked many times and will be asked again many times more, and then possibly even engage in DISCUSSIONS that spring from those questions and answers, you can always start your own forum and restrict those discussions. LOL! Oh, that's right, you tried that already and it went over like a lead balloon. Oh well... tsk tsk...

So what's it going to be? Whine about it some more because you're not going to get your way? Have you tried holding your breath until you turn blue? Maybe that will help. If nothing else, you'll pass out and shut the hell up about it, which I personally think would help tremendously. But then, I would, since I'm an ass about it.

Oh, and this isn't a "quality issue". It's a "you're being an ass about it" issue.

ETA: I think this bears repeating:

Also, if the forum was restricted to discussions that were truly new, it would be very quiet.

 

[manaheim]

Wow, that was just... awesome. You've outdone yourself. The jab about the part where I started my own forum was like the icing on the cake. Right for the jugular. Really nice stuff there. Seriously. You should take a bow.

Of course the really funny thing about all this is that you're totally doing the "I'm going to defend the new person from the big bad forum jerk and his evil complaining about how people re-post threads" thing... which has also been kinda done to death.

Too funny.

And yeah, it is a quality issue, but whatever. I'd fight to defend your right to rail against me for defending mine. Cheers.

 

[LungFish]

But what do you expect to be done about this 'quality issue'? The next person to ask this question (probably next week) hasn't joined the forum yet, so it seems pretty futile to tell them what to post and what not to post.

 

[2310Return]

Wow!

Just registered on this forum and thought I would have a quick look at the sections available. As a newcomer to this whole place - I thought that I would expect to see the usual "welcome" messages. When all is said and done - it is a section for newcomers.

...But no - the aggression with which a perfectly reasonable question is received on this forum makes it look like this is going to be a VERY interesting place.

My initial observation seems to be that to survive this place one needs to be pretty sure of oneself.

What a disgrace that people should respond to a person's correctly situated and very reasonable response. Quite clearly there are some people on this board who are entirely at home with projecting what amounts to a pretty obnoxious persona.

Perhaps those "welcoming" people might get a grip on their egos and step back a little!!!

Welcome to the forum indeed!!

 

[manaheim]

But what do you expect to be done about this 'quality issue'? The next person to ask this question (probably next week) hasn't joined the forum yet, so it seems pretty futile to tell them what to post and what not to post.

Fair question. (and nicely asked...)

A lot of people do lurk on here long before they post, and I do see evidence of those people sometimes showing an understanding of the culture here in their very first posts. So... if some people periodically poking folks for not doing things like searching before asking questions are seen by some of those people, then it cuts down the number of redundant (and completely pointless posts). So is it yelling at the rain? Maybe a little... but not entirely.

And the thing is, what would happen if people stopped? It could get a lot worse. TPF is unique in that the culture here has a little bit of an expectation to it. I don't personally want to see it slide completely into attaboys and people constantly asking the same questions like some other forums I've seen.

By the way, I'd also like to point out that while Buckster is laying into me like a dirty rug, the first three responders to this thread all said the same thing... so let's just keep this in perspective, yes?

There has already been SO SO SO SO SO SO SO much said on this both here on this forum and all over the internet.

Have you done a search?

It's also explained in your camera's manual.

Let me google that for you

 

[Buckster]

And the thing is, what would happen if people stopped? It could get a lot worse.

Ooooooo... A slippery slope argument! Awesome!!! Haven't seen many of those lately!!! Of course, there's no ACTUAL evidence that the whining has EVER cut down the number of threads started up around here asking the same questions over and over and over, but let's not let that get in the way of a good logical fallacy!

TPF is unique in that the culture here has a little bit of an expectation to it. I don't personally want to see it slide completely into attaboys and people constantly asking the same questions like some other forums I've seen.

Luckily, we have you to stop it with your whining. Whew! Thanks!! What's it like to have a super-power like that?

By the way, I'd also like to point out that while Buckster is laying into me like a dirty rug

Yes, you're a dirty, naughty little rug made of bunny hare. Now lie there like a good little rug or I'll take you out back, hang you over a clothesline and have Michelle beat the dust out of you with a riding crop!