Some new photos that I took tonight while out and about. C&C Welcome. Thank You

[photo guy]

To Bitter_Jeweler: the reason why I didn't reply to it is that you are one of the people who I consider to have been rude on numerous responses to me that were not too helpful but I felt as bashing me for the work I did. I will still read posts people put up and give my C&C for people but I will not post any more of my photos for C&C or even just to show my work until things start to change for the better around here. Thank You.

 

[Kbarredo]

To bentcountershaft: In one of my first posts to this site (the fire photo that was published in the paper), I did give my opinion of that photo and ended up with a lot of negative feedback and now people are asking me to do the same again so I can continue to get nasty remarks. I will not post any new photos until I feel like things have subsided with the really rude remarks and bashing. I don't mind polite remarks or criticism as long as it doen't turn nasty like it has been lately.

No need to worry about it bud. Ive had my fair share of butting heads on this forum. I say re try the shot and show us what you really got.

 

[blackrose89]

To bentcountershaft: In one of my first posts to this site (the fire photo that was published in the paper), I did give my opinion of that photo and ended up with a lot of negative feedback and now people are asking me to do the same again so I can continue to get nasty remarks. I will not post any new photos until I feel like things have subsided with the really rude remarks and bashing. I don't mind polite remarks or criticism as long as it doen't turn nasty like it has been lately.

One positive I can say is I don't find people carrying over negativity from one thread to the next. I'll get complete rudeness and bashing in one post, and then post another thread a few minutes later and get more even toned responses. I don't think you really need a "cooling off" period.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

To Bitter_Jeweler: the reason why I didn't reply to it is that you are one of the people who I consider to have been rude on numerous responses to me that were not too helpful but I felt as bashing me for the work I did. I will still read posts people put up and give my C&C for people but I will not post any more of my photos for C&C or even just to show my work until things start to change for the better around here. Thank You.

Please post examples of where I bashed your work. You can't. Because I haven't.


But you are right, I was rude to post the link to the thread that shows you how to post photos on the forum 5 times.

 

[Ballistics]

To Bitter_Jeweler: the reason why I didn't reply to it is that you are one of the people who I consider to have been rude on numerous responses to me that were not too helpful but I felt as bashing me for the work I did. I will still read posts people put up and give my C&C for people but I will not post any more of my photos for C&C or even just to show my work until things start to change for the better around here. Thank You.

Ohhh stop it.

This is the classic "Fine! I'm taking my ball and going home" response. You had 1 person give unnecessary insulting remarks and it was rectified.
You have to understand, there are people on this forum that are monotonous, but have a vast knowledge and are actually WILLING to help.
You have to be willing to weed through the BS to actually get it. This is a free forum, and if you think about it, you have the ability to get
hundreds of years of experienced direction and instruction for nothing. Don't worry about the packaging, just know that you are getting awesome
information for nothing.

I agree, there are people that could use a social skills class, but usually they are rude to people who deserve it. Sometimes you will get that one person
who is arrogant for no reason, but it gets dealt with. You just have to be a little less sensitive, accept that your pictures need work, and accept the
information given. Sometimes it's great, other times it's not, but stick around and you will soon be the person giving good advice.

I'm not trying to kiss anyone's ass either, but most people take places like this for granted. I know for a fact, my work has benefited from most of these
a-holes on here and I'm not afraid to give credit to where it's due. But also recognize the fact that I am an advocate of common courtesy, photo guy.
The a-holes that give me advice, also hear about it if they say anything disrespectful. But don't mistake "These are no good" or "These are boring" for disrespect.
C&C is not like having a conversation with some guy you just met in person where it's fake small talk. It's raw, dry, to the point direction.

So suck it up, get some C&C, learn from it, and take more pictures.

My 3 dollars worth. PM me for a receipt.

 

[cgipson1]

OP needs to realize.. the best way to not get negative critique, is to not post photos that deserve negative critique, and then expect positive critique.

When you post good stuff, people will say so.. when you post crap, people will say so. Not posting pics at all.. well, you either don't want to learn.. or you just don't want to hear any negative critique. In which case, I would suggest sticking to Facebook! I am sure they love your "work"!

 

[LightSpeed]

To Bitter_Jeweler: the reason why I didn't reply to it is that you are one of the people who I consider to have been rude on numerous responses to me that were not too helpful but I felt as bashing me for the work I did. I will still read posts people put up and give my C&C for people but I will not post any more of my photos for C&C or even just to show my work until things start to change for the better around here. Thank You.

Oh good god.
You think you're the only person he's been rude to?
Look at his name. He's bitter. What do you expect?
You mean to tell me you're going to let that stop you?

For the work you did?
You pushed a button. Without basic understanding of what you were doing.

 

[thereyougo!3]

The problem is, Photo Guy, that you posted similar pictures before and were given genuinely constructive criticism. It was suggested to you that you shoot earlier while there was still colour in the sky. When challenged about this, you came up with lots of excuses why you couldn't. I'm not sure whether you understand why the pictures you put up before had major issues. Lots and lots of black space. Taking them again in the same way will not change this. If you are using any kind of point and shoot camera without a bulb setting then you should nearly never take shots when it is completely dark. It means there is no detail to look at and also, a fully automatic camera will expose for the whole scene which is why all these photos look distant.

We want you to make progress. But you won't make progress until you learn from your mistakes. The first part of the process is accepting that they are mistakes. If you are to take photographs from the end of the afternoon on, you MUST use a tripod or else there is no point pushing the shutter. Any camera can take great shots be it P&S or DSLR. But you have to give it the opportunity to show what it can do. At the moment you are holding its arms behind its back by shooting too late and by shooting without using a tripod.

Finally you're more likely to get sarcastic comments here if what you post shows that you haven't listened to what people have suggested. If you think that their previous CC is wrong, say so. But prepare to be challenged.

 

[Kerbouchard]

He was also asked a question at the third post that has yet to be answered.
The question is not rude.
The question is not mean spirited.
The question is not snarky.
The question has been ignored.

Just saying'

The question should be ignored. It is mean spirited. It is snarky. And it is rude. Perhaps, the first time it wasn't. The remaining times it definitely was.

Your question doesn't need to be asked multiple times. The OP chose to ignore you and you were already warned by a moderator. Why do you persist?

In any case, no, the photos aren't great. The OP shot with a P&S without a tripod at night. These results are to be expected in those conditions. It really wouldn't matter who pushed the shutter release under those circumstances. They would most likely turn out the same.

Instead of repetitively asking a stupid question, you could have given the OP some advice...Instead, you chose to be snarky, rude, and mean spirited...in other words, your usual self.

To take successful shots in these conditions require a tripod and some thoughts on composition. Also, as has been mentioned, taking the shots slightly earlier(about 30 minutes after sunset) would be easier and would most likely have better results.

 

[thereyougo!3]

I can understand in this instance why the OP is upset. I normally find it very infantile when people whine about the negative feedback. But in this case ( if I'm not mistaken) he was apprehensive about posting these photos in the first place. And we all said "go for it" then he was bombarded with mean spirited negativity in the first page. Sooo although I don't condone people becoming defensive and whining when people are only trying to help, in this case I can understand it'd be a little disheartening when you were afraid to let your guard down and when you do you get mostly negativity. Just sayin.

Genuinely no disrespect intended, but there was only one person that specifically asked him to post them and that was you. I feared it would turn out like this which is why I said that if he wanted to post them then he should. I took the post as him saying that he would post as long as people were nice about his photos. He has a tendency to take criticism personally. If someone can't be objective about their photos they shouldn't post them in a photographer's forum. If however they actually do want to learn they need to take the risk of having their work shot down as they may learn something.

I would rather hear something that I need to hear than I want to hear. It's more useful.

 

[bazooka]

To take successful shots in these conditions require a tripod and some thoughts on composition. Also, as has been mentioned, taking the shots slightly earlier(about 30 minutes after sunset) would be easier and would most likely have better results.

Which is exactly the advice we all gave him in his first post of Christmas lights. He took noones advice and posted this one requesting more C&C. What's the point in giving advice if it isn't taken?

 

[GeorgieGirl]

OMG!

I think Bitter's point was well taken and I for one appreciated it. Apparently it did not slow the OP down for one minute to STOP AND THINK. And the simple question of Why do you think we should help you if you don't help yourself was appropriate to this forum which is about feedback and ACTIONS STEPS to improve.

But for those stubborn little shooters who want to continue to hang on to their crying towels and say he was being mean to me, this one's for you:

http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/general-gallery/262984-misheles-coddling-critique-thread.html

 

[thereyougo!3]

If people post photos here for appreciation, they are always likely to be disappointed. I believe that you should only critique if you yourself are prepared to be critiqued. Shooting in pitch dark conditions, I would have had results not dissimilar to Photo Guy's had I left my Pentax 645D on program mode (I only recently figured out even to do this!).

What qualifies us to critique other people's work? Our own 'brilliance'? No, although the better our own shots are, the more credibility we have. I think the single most important thing is that when we judge other people's work, we are just as good at sucking it up as we expect others to be. I have learned a lot from receiving firmly constructive criticism and initially I was very defensive, but then I figured it out and changed things. I still shoot crap sometimes, but I'm better at filtering it out and asking myself whether the shot works....

Sometimes the shot will work for you when it doesn't for others, and that's fine. There are some rules though and amongst them are exposing correctly and composition. They are interwoven and integral to each other. PhotoGuy, this is what you need to learn. Try and find the manual settings for your best camera. Most importantly, shoot at the right time of day. That was one of my most important lessons and one of the things that changed my photography for the better.

You have two choices:

1/ Go off and sulk in a corner and refuse to show your photos any more - if you do that, then I think it would be best if you didn't critique other people's work - if you aren't prepared for yours to be critiqued then I don't believe you should critique other people's work.

OR

2/ Sit down and listen to what people have said and read and read about exposure and composition. When you have learned some more, post back and show us your progress. You can either sit back and sulk or get off your backside and prove people wrong.

I'd like you to pick No. 2. If you choose no 1 then that's fine too, but please have the decency not to judge other people's work. I may be a little old fashioned but I believe that you should not judge unless you yourself are prepared to be judged.

 

[photo guy]

To cgipson1: I DO NOT HAVE A FACEBOOK PAGE YET SO DON'T GO THERE WITH THIS

 

[thereyougo!3]

To cgipson1: I DO NOT HAVE A FACEBOOK PAGE YET SO DON'T GO THERE WITH THIS

I rather suspect it was a slightly tongue in cheek comment, so try not to take things so personally. Learn to love tough criticism (which of course should remain respectful) as it is the only way any of us learn things.