sony a77

[argieramos]

The "point" is that Sony's d-slr sales are still poor compared to both Canon and Nikon. Sony had 11.9% of d-slr's sold last year. Nikon had just under 30%. Canons made up around 44% of all d-slr's sold last year. World-wide.

Sony is banking on their new SLR technology to attract customers...because they have been getting their asses kicked in the d-slr marketplace. Reflex cameras, with moving mirrors, began in the 1890's. That's not a typo--eighteen-nineties!!!! By 1959, with the Nikon F, the "modern" d-slr with instant return mirror and fully automatic lens diaphragm was a reality...fast forward 38 years or so, and the Ninon D3 and D3x had become the standard.

One thing you do NOT seem to understand skieur, is that there is no real technical superiority driving this...camera manufacturers have ALWAYS, and I mean ALWAYS, sought to create what is called "the next big thing". When sales go flat, or profits grow thin and hard to make, the camera makers have ALWAYS resorted to creating "all-new" features, or entirely new "types" or "styles" of cameras, as a way to get people to BUY NEW GEAR!!!! YES, the A700 was replaced by the a77...Why? Sony is trying a new sales approach!!!

I have worked in the camera retail business, and have SEEN the way new technology actually affects consumers. First-hand. Real people. People with money in wallet, and credit cards in-wallet, and looking to BUY. The reason Sony has gone to the SLT system is that there is always a good percentage of people who love the technological side of camera gear. These people love high-tech and new-tech stuff, good or bad. They will buy just to say they have the "new thing". As most photo industry writers have noted, the A900,and A850,and A700 were poor sellers, and Sony went to the drawing board and came up with the SLT system, hoping to get better sales. Your statement that "the flipping mirror is dead" is patently ludicrous.

A much,much more accurate statement is this: "If you cannot win at the game, then find a new game where your skill set will let you win--or at least have a chance to win."

Sorry bud, but Sony could not compete in the traditional reflex market; that market is mature, with MOSTLY committed owners, and so trying to battle two companies that control roughly 75% of ALL d-slr sales was foolish for Sony to continue doing. Sony is trying to find a new poker game, as it were.The product line and the actions of a company with UNDER 12% of all d-slr sales is not indicative of what the market is doing. Sony sells a little over one out of each 10 d-slr's sold world-wide. It sounds a lot like you own an a77 and realllllly need to justify your purchasing decision. To a degree that I am really surprised by. I hope you enjoy your a77. It looks like a nice camera. But until Sony's d-slr sales threaten those of Nikon or Canon, I do not expect ANY movement toward SLT technology from Nikon,Canon,Pentax, or any other camera maker. Sony has very little to lose in this segment. Nikon and Canon have a lot to lose.

Cool story bro

 

[mjhoward]

You see, you are just looking at the fact that EVF is electronic. There are things need to be process, reading datas off the sensor, converting to digital signal, and so on. That takes time, right? But whatever the delay will be, it cannot be distinguished by a human senses.

Except there is a delay distinguishable by humans, perhaps not you, but rational humans.

A77 EVF has no known lag and delay issue with ideal lighting

THERE IT IS! ...And even then, still some delay.

 

[argieramos]

Except there is a delay distinguishable by humans, perhaps not you, but rational humans.

THERE IT IS! ...And even then, still some delay.

Someone didn't get the point. Amateur lol

 

[argieramos]

Fixed.

If not in live view mode, you get phase detect AF just like the A77. I don't know many professional shooters or even enthusiasts that prefer an EVF over an OVF so for 95% of the photography world, I'd say these advantages are moot.

How many professional shooters and enthusiasts do you know? You're fooling yourself lol

 

[cosmonaut]

No one will ever take shares fron Nikon and Canon, like Fender and Gibson, Sony and others are fighting the stigma, if you don't have this around your neck you don't have a real camera. The fact is I am no fanboy I shoot with what I am comfortable with and what gets the job done. I would have been just as happy with a Nikon or Canon. They are number one and two for a reason. But that doesn't change the fact there are equally good and better cameras on the market. A friend I work with bought his daughter a Canon Ts something and showed me on the internet what he had bought her. She uses it for work. He stood right there and told me it was a better camera than mine. Never looking at the specs at mine and claimed hers is better it's a Canon. Well I bragged on her new Canon and left it at that. It isn't like she didn't get an awesome camera but again they fell pray to the stigma. I almost did before I bought my a77 and I know better. For me it was Nikon lenses were to expensive for what I wanted and I never considered Canon. I am not sure why? I am sure I would have been just as happy with a 7d.

The "point" is that Sony's d-slr sales are still poor compared to both Canon and Nikon. Sony had 11.9% of d-slr's sold last year. Nikon had just under 30%. Canons made up around 44% of all d-slr's sold last year. World-wide.Sony is banking on their new SLR technology to attract customers...because they have been getting their asses kicked in the d-slr marketplace. Reflex cameras, with moving mirrors, began in the 1890's. That's not a typo--eighteen-nineties!!!! By 1959, with the Nikon F, the "modern" d-slr with instant return mirror and fully automatic lens diaphragm was a reality...fast forward 38 years or so, and the Ninon D3 and D3x had become the standard.One thing you do NOT seem to understand skieur, is that there is no real technical superiority driving this...camera manufacturers have ALWAYS, and I mean ALWAYS, sought to create what is called "the next big thing". When sales go flat, or profits grow thin and hard to make, the camera makers have ALWAYS resorted to creating "all-new" features, or entirely new "types" or "styles" of cameras, as a way to get people to BUY NEW GEAR!!!! YES, the A700 was replaced by the a77...Why? Sony is trying a new sales approach!!!I have worked in the camera retail business, and have SEEN the way new technology actually affects consumers. First-hand. Real people. People with money in wallet, and credit cards in-wallet, and looking to BUY. The reason Sony has gone to the SLT system is that there is always a good percentage of people who love the technological side of camera gear. These people love high-tech and new-tech stuff, good or bad. They will buy just to say they have the "new thing". As most photo industry writers have noted, the A900,and A850,and A700 were poor sellers, and Sony went to the drawing board and came up with the SLT system, hoping to get better sales. Your statement that "the flipping mirror is dead" is patently ludicrous.A much,much more accurate statement is this: "If you cannot win at the game, then find a new game where your skill set will let you win--or at least have a chance to win."Sorry bud, but Sony could not compete in the traditional reflex market; that market is mature, with MOSTLY committed owners, and so trying to battle two companies that control roughly 75% of ALL d-slr sales was foolish for Sony to continue doing. Sony is trying to find a new poker game, as it were.The product line and the actions of a company with UNDER 12% of all d-slr sales is not indicative of what the market is doing. Sony sells a little over one out of each 10 d-slr's sold world-wide. It sounds a lot like you own an a77 and realllllly need to justify your purchasing decision. To a degree that I am really surprised by. I hope you enjoy your a77. It looks like a nice camera. But until Sony's d-slr sales threaten those of Nikon or Canon, I do not expect ANY movement toward SLT technology from Nikon,Canon,Pentax, or any other camera maker. Sony has very little to lose in this segment. Nikon and Canon have a lot to lose.

Cool story bro

 

[cosmonaut]

If you could have told Gary Winogrand what ever you see in your finder is going to be the final image on print I am sure he would have been thrilled not to have to spend hours in a darkroom.

o.my.god.You are kidding. right?ok. seriously. i'm done.

and no i am not kidding. i have listened to some of Garrys podcast and he was more interested in getting a good shot while you can than spending time in a darkroom. It's why in he left behind so many rolls of film undeveloped and in later years when his health failed someone drove him around in a car and he shot from a car. In his time the camera he owned was the best thing going for what he did.

 

[unpopular]

So then the role of the darkroom is to fix mistakes made in the field.

I'm sure Ansel Adams would be right behind you on this one. And maybe he would be. But you're looking at the camera, the raw file and processing all wrong.

 

[gsgary]

If you could have told Gary Winogrand what ever you see in your finder is going to be the final image on print I am sure he would have been thrilled not to have to spend hours in a darkroom.

o.my.god.You are kidding. right?ok. seriously. i'm done.

and no i am not kidding. i have listened to some of Garrys podcast and he was more interested in getting a good shot while you can than spending time in a darkroom. It's why in he left behind so many rolls of film undeveloped and in later years when his health failed someone drove him around in a car and he shot from a car. In his time the camera he owned was the best thing going for what he did.

And still is, you can't beat a rangefinder for street photography

 

[argieramos]

No one will ever take shares fron Nikon and Canon

DSLR share is only a part of overall camera marketshare. Nikon camera marketshare is actually not even close to Sony and Canon worldwide.

 

[argieramos]

And still is, you can't beat a rangefinder for street photography

You can, in the hands of a better shooter.

 

[cosmonaut]

Just read my first reveiw of the A77 in a pro UK mag can't see any pro sports shooters buying it write speads slow so you struggle to get 12fps and you can only use it in AE (auto exposure) mode set, so the only way to control exposure is by ISO or exposure compensation, another thing the was concerning was the tester would not use it over ISO400 and didn't consider it suitable for low-light work

That's why Sony makes an A900. Write times have as much to do with the cards you use as much as the camera. Let's compare apples to apples here. Is a Canon 7D that much faster? The Sony's have been doing 8FPS for a long time.

 

[skieur]

No one will ever take shares fron Nikon and Canon

DSLR share is only a part of overall camera marketshare. Nikon camera marketshare is actually not even close to Sony and Canon worldwide.

Question however, is whether the Sony Nex cameras and the Sony SLT cameras were considered DSLRs or NOT in the totals for marketshare.

skieur

 

[cosmonaut]

Somebody count.

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[skieur]

And still is, you can't beat a rangefinder for street photography

You can, in the hands of a better shooter.

The original advantage to the rangefinder such as the Leica M series was a very quiet shutter. Now that you can shoot from the waist using the live view screen of the Sony, street shooting is super easy.

skieur

 

[skieur]

So then the role of the darkroom is to fix mistakes made in the field.

I'm sure Ansel Adams would be right behind you on this one. And maybe he would be. But you're looking at the camera, the raw file and processing all wrong.

No, he wouldn't, Ansel Adams spend more time in the darkroom adjusting tones and exposure levels in different parts of his image, which could not be done in camera at the time.

skieur