sony a77

[gsgary]

The flipping mirror is dead. It is reaching its technological limitations. It is time for a new approach to go beyond those limitations of speed and vibration problems. Each Sony implimentation of the SLT has got better and the A99 will be better than the A77. Nikon and Canon may play a wait and see approach to the marketplace reaction to the Sony SLT but you can bet your bottom dollar that they will copy or adapt the concept if they think that the public will buy it. Either way, Sony has started the move to drop the flipping mirror and that is how changes in technology take place.

skieur

"The flipping mirror is dead." Yes---exactly. Just the way that motion pictures killed live theatre. It is as dead as motion pictures, which were officially killed off by television back in the 1950's. The flipping mirror is as dead as live music, which was killed off by Edison's wax cylinder recordings. The flipping mirror is as dead as home cooking, which was made obsolete by the development of the TV dinner. The flipping mirror is dead, as dead as doing math on paper became since the advent of the electronic calculator. The flipping mirror is dead, as dead as draft beer after the development of the first successful canned beer.

Yeah....the flipping mirror is dead....as dead as FM Radio in the age of the MP3 player...Uh-huh, riiiiight....

Sony started a revolution! They will change the industry and convert all the other companies to their new, upstart ways!!! Let me give you an example of Minolta logic/aka Sony logic: Let's make a flash foot design that violates the ISO standard for flash mounting systems...let's create our OWN, NEW, BETTER FLASH FOOT DESIGN!!!

Sorry, skieur...but you are such a weak opponent it's a shame that I have to use this information on you and utterly crush your dreams...but SONY is the only company that uses their oddball flash mounting foot....none of their chit works with anything else. Minolta lost their ASSES by heralding the "APSC film system" back in the 1990's. Do you not remember that technical marvel, APSC film??? (sarcasm). The idea that they could make it big by jumping into the APSC film camera market JUST prior to the dawn of digital photography is what doomed Minolta to obscurity, then near bankruptcy. Minolta's camera division was then sold to ANOTHER loser camera company, Konica. Konica--the shutter priority auto company that never could understand why its products failed, time after time...so, two loser camera companies became Konica/Minolta, and began business, then FAILED, and were forced to sell out to SONY....

Sorry dude...the failed unique flash foot...the failed APSC camera gamble than almost killed Minolta....the massive legal fees incurred from patent infringement that forced so many Minolta executives to retire in disgrace...the carcass of Minolta rotting until the scavengers at Konica saw an opportunity to pick the bones of a former third-rate company...only to find that the carcass was already maggot-infested...the fire sale of Konica/Minolta to Sony, a company in search of "SOME" camera designs and lens designs...eh...my God man...I know history quite well...Sony purchased the "assets" (if that is the right way to categorize what they bought) of two, FAILED, disgraced camera companies. Two companies that were stocked with executives who worked for companies which could not "cut it" in the camera business.

"New technology" like a unique flash mounting foot....that awesome Sony memory stick format...that awesome and FAILED SONY Betamax video format...that FAILED Minolta venture into the new-technology APSC cartridge loading film format....that unique dual-sensor Minolta d-slr that failed...that FAILED shutter-priority-only automatic that Konica espoused for so long....see the pattern here?

"New technology" like the flash foot, Memory Stick, Betamax, APSC film>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Massive, massive, massive failures. New does not guarantee success, my dear skieur. Far,far from it. New tech carries with it huge risks.

Dream on and keep telling yourself "the flapping mirror is dead." Long live Betamax! Long live Memory Stick! Long live APSC film cameras!

Misleading as usual, eh?

A History of Minolta Innovation

About Us - History of Innovation | KONICA MINOLTA CANADA

skieur

Minolta were great cameras, i have their fantastic Minolta 4 flash meter, Sony bought into this and then spoilt a great name

 

[argieramos]

Argie. Why though? Why have you dedicated yourself to this thread?

If the a77 is as good as you say it is, it will prove itself regardless of the brand name. If the technology is good, it will be adopted. It'll be the future. What could possibly be your motivation? Why do you so tirelessly defend this platform.

Dedicated? No I'm not. You see, I could ask you almost the same question. Why have you dedicated yourself to destroy a reputation of a camera?

Did anyone from Sony gang bang you or something? Why can't you understand that the camera has good things that some people likes about and yet you tirelessly say otherwise? The camera is proving itself already.
Sony Alpha A77 Is About to Beat DSLRs at Their Own Game | PCWorld
Camera Test: Sony's A77 Is The New King of APS-C DSLRs | Popular Photography

I am not defending the camera because I like it. I am defending the camera because you guys are nuts! If an SLT fanboy start flaming and exaggerate the weaknesses of an SLR, I'd defend SLR too hehehe!

You said you guys are adults. Start acting like real adults and see how nice this thread would turn out

 

[Nikon_Josh]

The OP is now dead! Skieur has bored him to death, he didn't realise it would cost him his life though, poor guy! This thread is so ridiculous that it's just a comedy show now in my opinion...

Your lame, nonsense and stupid attacks are the reasons why this thread is looking like a comedy show. And attacking me in my inbox will do you no good dude. It wont work on me. Loser! lol

Not as bad as acting ghetto when you look like a Sissy though really! What is with all the ghetto talk dude? Are you from the ghetto? You look like a skinny little joke to me with bad dress sense. In your own words 'The haters gonna hate y'all!

Just to confirm this thread is made to look a joke by people like you ArgieMoron and your friend Skieur with your useless information being repeated again and again. You think it's OK to go around insulting respected members, so I am happily here insulting you back as I feel it's right too.

 

[argieramos]

Easy shot? Those dogs are relatively small and very fast. I wouldn't say it was an 'easy' shot. Timing that shot with the delay of live view (even if small delay) would be difficult.

Go educate yourself. lol

This is coming from someone whom is seemingly still in high school? I'm very well educated... not as much in photography as other areas, but well educated regardless. I DO know enough about photography, however, to discount nearly everything you say.

Look how you responds to this thread. No slight evidence of being well educated. You seems like a complete copy of gary. You guys related? hehehe!

 

[argieramos]

The OP is now dead! Skieur has bored him to death, he didn't realise it would cost him his life though, poor guy! This thread is so ridiculous that it's just a comedy show now in my opinion...

Your lame, nonsense and stupid attacks are the reasons why this thread is looking like a comedy show. And attacking me in my inbox will do you no good dude. It wont work on me. Loser! lol

Not as bad as acting ghetto when you look like a Sissy though really! What is with all the ghetto talk dude? Are you from the ghetto? You look like a skinny little joke to me with bad dress sense. In your own words 'The haters gonna hate y'all!

Just to confirm this thread is made to look a joke by people like you ArgieMoron and your friend Skieur with your useless information being repeated again and again. You think it's OK to go around insulting respected members, so I am happily here insulting you back as I feel it's right too.

You have no clue what a ghetto really means. Why sending me a private message? It seems like you never get laid nyahahaha!!
And who are these respected members? Tell me!

 

[Nikon_Josh]

Your lame, nonsense and stupid attacks are the reasons why this thread is looking like a comedy show. And attacking me in my inbox will do you no good dude. It wont work on me. Loser! lol

Not as bad as acting ghetto when you look like a Sissy though really! What is with all the ghetto talk dude? Are you from the ghetto? You look like a skinny little joke to me with bad dress sense. In your own words 'The haters gonna hate y'all!

Just to confirm this thread is made to look a joke by people like you ArgieMoron and your friend Skieur with your useless information being repeated again and again. You think it's OK to go around insulting respected members, so I am happily here insulting you back as I feel it's right too.

You have no clue what a ghetto really means. Why sending me a private message? It seems like you never get laid nyahahaha!!

Again, ENGLISH FAIL!

 

[skieur]

""Sony has, once again, radically changed the world of DSLRs with its A77. Plus, it has done so without compromises in the shooting experience or in image quality. The A77 now reigns supreme over APS-C format DSLRs. Neither Canon's EOS 7D nor Nikon's D300s can match the A77's AF speed or resolution. While the Canon 7D does beat the A77 in its noise performance and holds more resolution at the highest ISOs, the A77 ultimately beats it for the overall package, including the video-shooting experience and the versatility of the articulated LCD.
Seasoned photographers with extensive lens collections will likely have a hard time deciding if they should switch to Sony, especially if they've taken up video seriously. If this describes you, we'd advise you wait and see how Canon and Nikon react to the A77 before making up your mind.
We have to admit that we see this as a serious shakeup in the camera industry. For the first time, a camera without an optical finder can deliver the level of performance that we've all come to expect from an eye-level framing device. Furthermore, you can use it to shoot video, change menu settings, and overlay a variety of gridlines, even a leveling indicator.
Add to that that the A77 can match the burst capabilities of its competitors, while offering a limited 12-fps burst mode. Plus, the camera has the best automatic panorama stitching we've seen, and the Handheld Twilight mode significantly reduces noise in low-light images of still subjects."

This reviewer by the way Derrel is suggesting that Nikon and Canon will probably wait and see as I predicted in my earlier post and then perhaps copy what you guys call "toy features".

skieur

 

[skieur]

Easy shot? Those dogs are relatively small and very fast. I wouldn't say it was an 'easy' shot. Timing that shot with the delay of live view (even if small delay) would be difficult.

This dog is faster. Notice the sharpness.

As I said previously, an easy shot for a Sony camera.

skieur

 

[dxqcanada]

... I will have to give Sony one credit ... if they did not buy the Minolta/Konica DSLR/SLR technology I would of had to sell my Minolta Maxxum lenses.

That's all I am going to say.

 

[skieur]

Go educate yourself. lol

This is coming from someone whom is seemingly still in high school? I'm very well educated... not as much in photography as other areas, but well educated regardless. I DO know enough about photography, however, to discount nearly everything you say.

Look how you responds to this thread. No slight evidence of being well educated. You seems like a complete copy of gary. You guys related? hehehe!

Well, I think my 3 degrees will trump many in the area of education.

skieur

 

[Derrel]

Every single month, Popular Photography has a headline that trumpets WHATEVER featured lens or camera they are highlighting in that month's issue. I've been a reader of Pop Photo since the mid-1970's. I am a current subscriber. Comments like "radically changed the world of DSLRs with its A77" and "reigns supreme over APS-C format DSLRs." ---those types of comments are what we call hyperbole. That is the kind of language that makes the fanboys feel good, and which sell magazines.Please note, skieur, that the magazine ALSO mentions some facts that directly contradict YOUR assertions from earlier in this thread. Specifically, Pop Photo writes: "the Canon 7D does beat the A77 in its noise performance and holds more resolution at the highests ISOs..." Ooopsie!!!! So, the poor noise performance that I MENTIONED, and that OTHERS mentioned earlier in this thread, was also seen by the folks at Pop Photo. But you, skieur, maintained that the A77's images looked superior in EVERY EXAMPLE in the early pages of this lengthy thread. As dPreview mentioned, the A77's sensor gets NOISY, and does NOT look good as ISO levels go up...too much noise reduction needs to be applied....so much so that Canon's 18.2 MP sensor in the 7D performs better than the 24.6 MP one in the A77.

The reviewer is Michael McNamara, of Pop Photo...yeah, like Canon and Nikon are "waiting on Sony"... LMFAO!!!! HILARIOUS! Canon and Nikon have cameras in development for well over a year in advance. Canon and Nikon have each, already, decades ago, made pellicle-mirrored single-lens reflex cameras. They barely sold any units. So, which company is copying which other TWO companies? Canon is leading the market in d-slr sales, with Nikon a very strong 2nd place, and Sony lags behind, roughly with 1/3 of the sales of 2nd place Nikon...and you think Canon and Nikon are copy-catting Sony???

Nikon introduced the first d-slr with video recording capabilities....followed extremely closely by Canon less than two months later! Sony is making some nice cameras, no doubt. As to who is leading and who is following...that's really a very minor point: what counts is which cameras people want to BUY and USE. I think Sony is a viable choice for people who have no investment in another system. I think that is the audience that Sony is actively trying to make their target market--newcomers to the d-slr market. First-time buyers. Because, as McNamara says, "Seasoned photographers with extensive lens collections will likely have a hard time deciding if they should switch to Sony, especially if they've taken up video seriously. If this describes you, we'd advise you wait and see how Canon and Nikon react to the A77 before making up your mind."

So, anybody who can read English well can understand: 1) McNamara is stating that Canon and Nikon users will probably not switch to Sony and 2) If you are into video, do NOT buy the A77 but instead ,and this is a quote, "we'd advise you to wait and see how Canon and Nikon react to the A77". In other words, wait to see what better, newer video features Canon and Nikon premier on their upcoming cameras.

Trying to pass off a short summary paragraph as entirely positive and pro-purchase is disingenuous, at best. The messages are mixed, and a good part of the real advice is, "wait to see what Canon and Nikon have coming out if you are interested in video features." If you have no investment in either company, then hey, this is an innovative, fun,exciting new camera. The Canon 7D is better in noise performance and resolution at elevated ISO settings, so, for low-light work, the Canon 7D is the better choice...

 

[skieur]

Not as bad as acting ghetto when you look like a Sissy though really! What is with all the ghetto talk dude? Are you from the ghetto? You look like a skinny little joke to me with bad dress sense. In your own words 'The haters gonna hate y'all!

Just to confirm this thread is made to look a joke by people like you ArgieMoron and your friend Skieur with your useless information being repeated again and again. You think it's OK to go around insulting respected members, so I am happily here insulting you back as I feel it's right too.

You have no clue what a ghetto really means. Why sending me a private message? It seems like you never get laid nyahahaha!!

Again, ENGLISH FAIL!

Well, I suspect you would probably fail at Spanish, or Canadian French for that matter.

skieur

 

[Derrel]

Easy shot? Those dogs are relatively small and very fast. I wouldn't say it was an 'easy' shot. Timing that shot with the delay of live view (even if small delay) would be difficult.

This dog is faster. Notice the sharpness.

As I said previously, an easy shot for a Sony camera.

skieur

An easy shot for almost ANY AF system...the only moving target visible against a field of pure white snow...wow...an easy shot for a Nikon, or Canon, or Pentax, or Olympus!!!

 

[Nikon_Josh]

This is coming from someone whom is seemingly still in high school? I'm very well educated... not as much in photography as other areas, but well educated regardless. I DO know enough about photography, however, to discount nearly everything you say.

Look how you responds to this thread. No slight evidence of being well educated. You seems like a complete copy of gary. You guys related? hehehe!

Well, I think my 3 degrees will trump many in the area of education.

skieur

You have 3 degrees aswell now do you? My my my... you have achieved so much haven't you?? hahahaha!

You are great! You are just a complete FRAUD! You have a made up photographic career and now your an academic genius aswell.. :lmao:

 

[skieur]

Every single month, Popular Photography has a headline that trumpets WHATEVER featured lens or camera they are highlighting in that month's issue. I've been a reader of Pop Photo since the mid-1970's. I am a current subscriber. Comments like "radically changed the world of DSLRs with its A77" and "reigns supreme over APS-C format DSLRs." ---those types of comments are what we call hyperbole. That is the kind of language that makes the fanboys feel good, and which sell magazines.Please note, skieur, that the magazine ALSO mentions some facts that directly contradict YOUR assertions from earlier in this thread. Specifically, Pop Photo writes: "the Canon 7D does beat the A77 in its noise performance and holds more resolution at the highests ISOs..." Ooopsie!!!! So, the poor noise performance that I MENTIONED, and that OTHERS mentioned earlier in this thread, was also seen by the folks at Pop Photo. But you, skieur, maintained that the A77's images looked superior in EVERY EXAMPLE in the early pages of this lengthy thread. As dPreview mentioned, the A77's sensor gets NOISY, and does NOT look good as ISO levels go up...too much noise reduction needs to be applied....so much so that Canon's 18.2 MP sensor in the 7D performs better than the 24.6 MP one in the A77.

The reviewer is Michael McNamara, of Pop Photo...yeah, like Canon and Nikon are "waiting on Sony"... LMFAO!!!! HILARIOUS! Canon and Nikon have cameras in development for well over a year in advance. Canon and Nikon have each, already, decades ago, made pellicle-mirrored single-lens reflex cameras. They barely sold any units. So, which company is copying which other TWO companies? Canon is leading the market in d-slr sales, with Nikon a very strong 2nd place, and Sony lags behind, roughly with 1/3 of the sales of 2nd place Nikon...and you think Canon and Nikon are copy-catting Sony???

Nikon introduced the first d-slr with video recording capabilities....followed extremely closely by Canon less than two months later! Sony is making some nice cameras, no doubt. As to who is leading and who is following...that's really a very minor point: what counts is which cameras people want to BUY and USE. I think Sony is a viable choice for people who have no investment in another system. I think that is the audience that Sony is actively trying to make their target market--newcomers to the d-slr market. First-time buyers. Because, as McNamara says, "Seasoned photographers with extensive lens collections will likely have a hard time deciding if they should switch to Sony, especially if they've taken up video seriously. If this describes you, we'd advise you wait and see how Canon and Nikon react to the A77 before making up your mind."

So, anybody who can read English well can understand: 1) McNamara is stating that Canon and Nikon users will probably not switch to Sony and 2) If you are into video, do NOT buy the A77 but instead ,and this is a quote, "we'd advise you to wait and see how Canon and Nikon react to the A77". In other words, wait to see what better, newer video features Canon and Nikon premier on their upcoming cameras.

Trying to pass off a short summary paragraph as entirely positive and pro-purchase is disingenuous, at best. The messages are mixed, and a good part of the real advice is, "wait to see what Canon and Nikon have coming out if you are interested in video features." If you have no investment in either company, then hey, this is an innovative, fun,exciting new camera. The Canon 7D is better in noise performance and resolution at elevated ISO settings, so, for low-light work, the Canon 7D is the better choice...

Let's try again. I will try and keep it simple. If you are looking at jpegs at 1600 ISO or higher on the Comparometer, then Sony is slightly better at a higher sharpness level than both the Nikon and Canon cameras I was comparing. Nevertheless photos from all 3: Canon, Nikon and Sony were lousy, but Sony gives me the option of eliminating noise at very high ISO using twilight mode. Noiseware Professional would further reduce noise. Bottom line however is that I would not use any DSLR above 800 ISO unless absolutely necessary and I seldom have any need to do so.

As to speed, Sony has the fastest burst speed at 24 megapixels. It can still shoot slower than 12 frames per second and be faster than any other DSLR at a full 24 megapixels. Not all photographers will need or use this speed but it is available. However, only fanboys of the other brands rather than users will complain about it.

The Sony A77 produces the best HD video so far with full time, continuous phase detection autofocus and stereo sound. Anyone who integrates stills and video, like I do, finds this feature very useful.

As to what you call toy features, I consider to be useful tools. In camera panorama is high quality at 49 megapixels and it is used frequently in real estate virtual tours and in church wedding shots, web site advertising etc. Simulated tiltshift, enhanced dynamic range, HDR etc. are all very useful for creative photographers.

Minolta produced sturdy, excellently designed, cameras with lenses that tested out as better than Nikon at the time. I got a lot of successful use out of a variety of Minolta cameras so they more than paid for themselves, irrespective of marketting or the company.

Sony has deep pockets and sells one heck of a lot of digital cameras. They were certainly successful with the Sony Betacam which certainly was the standard for television production at one point. Again however, irrespective of the company, the A77 has less plastic than the Nikon D3x, is more feature rich and has a better price point.

One photography writer said that more "professional" cameras are bought by professionals, as in doctors, lawyers, executives etc. then are bought by professional photographers. Serious pros are in it to make money rather than spend money.

skieur