Sony A7R: Potential Gamechanger?

[slow231]

check this out folks if you have time...its kinds long

thanks for all the updates vipgraphx. I've been following them closely as these are cameras I am very interested in. I got the chance to check the 7 and 7r at the sony store yesterday. Also had the chance to try the zeiss 35 2.8. The camera is nice, and as expected very small in comparison to a FF dslr. The auto focusing seemed sufficient (in good light), and the EVF was pretty usable (focus peaking for MF was nice). I didn't get too familiar with the menu functioning but this shouldn't be an issue considering how customizable everything is suppose to be. overall the camera is probably capable of doing the vast majority of what i need for non-client work. The 35 is a very nice lens (zeiss's are always nice), but the 2.8 is kind of disappointing for a prime. i think overall that is probably my biggest gripe with the system, the somewhat lack luster premium lenses available/planned for it. f4 for the 24-70 and 70-200 is kind of a show stopper for me, i shoot those nikon variants almost primarily at 2.8. the smaller size and weight is definitely welcome, but for my uses that advantage alone isn't THAT huge of a deal until you get into sizes that are truly pocketable (I don't think any ILC systems honestly fall in that category). in the end unless we're talking about very near pocketable sizing (and i already have and use a very nice point and shoot a lot), i don't think i'm ready to jump ship unless there are absolutely 0 compromises.

 

[vipgraphx]

Slow - I completely understand where your coming from, This decision to buy sony was really hard for me because I am a Nikon guy!! Everyone has different ideas of a perfect camera and what brand name to use and I totally respect that. I wanted to kinda do some food for thought on what you said in your last post. Nikons holy trinity are all 2.8's 14-24 2.8, 24-70 2.8 and 70-200 2.8. In reality Sony is not any different with their lens except that the the 35 mm is a prime lens and is 2.8 vs 1.8 or 1.4, I used to use the 35 mm 1.8 nikon and honestly really never ever would I use 1.8. I would use 2.8 and usually higher because of the small DOF. Now this starts to make sense if you look at the sony 35mm starting at 2.8 as its supposed to be tack sharp at 2.8

I really feel that SONY is going to be big in this market and once they release more lenses I think folks will be really happy but, I also understand what you are saying. Personally if I did not sell my D700 I would not even consider getting another camera right now because the IQ on that camera was soooo top quality, it was fast and accurate. The best Nikon camera I have owned. Even compared to the D7100 I tested out I thought it was somewhat better in many ways.

But I sold it because it just was not fun lugging it around with all the other glass. When we would go on vacation I would be so tired and my back hurting I have a herniated L7 and L5 S1. I suppose I could have easily just kept it and got a point and shoot but, I know me no point and shoot would have ever compared and made me happy.


Now that I have been in the market and been able to play with different cameras, the features of the SONY's is just superior to NIKON. The Focus peaking, DMF, Eye AF, the EVF in these new SONY's is really close to looking through and optical VF and the fact that you can see your blur, exposure and iso right then and there and nail the shot before you take is in my book very very very cool. These are things now from trying and testing that I would WANT to have in any camera from this point on.

Now I am no SONY fan boy just very impressed with the IQ of these cameras and the features. I still am not sure if this camera either of the two a7 or a7r are really a replacement for a professional photographer. The fact that you can use adapters and use are your lenses with equal or better image quality now hhhmmmm thats quite interesting and maybe is a replacement However somewhere in the back of my mind I am not sure if I should have just stayed NIKON and waited this out until more direct fit SONY lenses are available and to see how things played out......

I can only hope that SONY will release some fantastic glass all I really need is a nice prime which I think the 55 1.8 zeiss will be fine and a nice ultra wide lens. All the other lenses beyond that I don't have a need for but maybe an 85mm other than that I would be set.

Things to think about and food for thought.

 

[gsgary]

Slow - I completely understand where your coming from, This decision to buy sony was really hard for me because I am a Nikon guy!! Everyone has different ideas of a perfect camera and what brand name to use and I totally respect that. I wanted to kinda do some food for thought on what you said in your last post. Nikons holy trinity are all 2.8's 14-24 2.8, 24-70 2.8 and 70-200 2.8. In reality Sony is not any different with their lens except that the the 35 mm is a prime lens and is 2.8 vs 1.8 or 1.4, I used to use the 35 mm 1.8 nikon and honestly really never ever would I use 1.8. I would use 2.8 and usually higher because of the small DOF. Now this starts to make sense if you look at the sony 35mm starting at 2.8 as its supposed to be tack sharp at 2.8

I really feel that SONY is going to be big in this market and once they release more lenses I think folks will be really happy but, I also understand what you are saying. Personally if I did not sell my D700 I would not even consider getting another camera right now because the IQ on that camera was soooo top quality, it was fast and accurate. The best Nikon camera I have owned. Even compared to the D7100 I tested out I thought it was somewhat better in many ways.

But I sold it because it just was not fun lugging it around with all the other glass. When we would go on vacation I would be so tired and my back hurting I have a herniated L7 and L5 S1. I suppose I could have easily just kept it and got a point and shoot but, I know me no point and shoot would have ever compared and made me happy.


Now that I have been in the market and been able to play with different cameras, the features of the SONY's is just superior to NIKON. The Focus peaking, DMF, Eye AF, the EVF in these new SONY's is really close to looking through and optical VF and the fact that you can see your blur, exposure and iso right then and there and nail the shot before you take is in my book very very very cool. These are things now from trying and testing that I would WANT to have in any camera from this point on.

Now I am no SONY fan boy just very impressed with the IQ of these cameras and the features. I still am not sure if this camera either of the two a7 or a7r are really a replacement for a professional photographer. The fact that you can use adapters and use are your lenses with equal or better image quality now hhhmmmm thats quite interesting and maybe is a replacement However somewhere in the back of my mind I am not sure if I should have just stayed NIKON and waited this out until more direct fit SONY lenses are available and to see how things played out......

I can only hope that SONY will release some fantastic glass all I really need is a nice prime which I think the 55 1.8 zeiss will be fine and a nice ultra wide lens. All the other lenses beyond that I don't have a need for but maybe an 85mm other than that I would be set.

Things to think about and food for thought.

Lots on Leica forum say the Noctilux 50F0.95 is a good match for the A7

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[gsgary]

Slow - I completely understand where your coming from, This decision to buy sony was really hard for me because I am a Nikon guy!! Everyone has different ideas of a perfect camera and what brand name to use and I totally respect that. I wanted to kinda do some food for thought on what you said in your last post. Nikons holy trinity are all 2.8's 14-24 2.8, 24-70 2.8 and 70-200 2.8. In reality Sony is not any different with their lens except that the the 35 mm is a prime lens and is 2.8 vs 1.8 or 1.4, I used to use the 35 mm 1.8 nikon and honestly really never ever would I use 1.8. I would use 2.8 and usually higher because of the small DOF. Now this starts to make sense if you look at the sony 35mm starting at 2.8 as its supposed to be tack sharp at 2.8

I really feel that SONY is going to be big in this market and once they release more lenses I think folks will be really happy but, I also understand what you are saying. Personally if I did not sell my D700 I would not even consider getting another camera right now because the IQ on that camera was soooo top quality, it was fast and accurate. The best Nikon camera I have owned. Even compared to the D7100 I tested out I thought it was somewhat better in many ways.

But I sold it because it just was not fun lugging it around with all the other glass. When we would go on vacation I would be so tired and my back hurting I have a herniated L7 and L5 S1. I suppose I could have easily just kept it and got a point and shoot but, I know me no point and shoot would have ever compared and made me happy.


Now that I have been in the market and been able to play with different cameras, the features of the SONY's is just superior to NIKON. The Focus peaking, DMF, Eye AF, the EVF in these new SONY's is really close to looking through and optical VF and the fact that you can see your blur, exposure and iso right then and there and nail the shot before you take is in my book very very very cool. These are things now from trying and testing that I would WANT to have in any camera from this point on.

Now I am no SONY fan boy just very impressed with the IQ of these cameras and the features. I still am not sure if this camera either of the two a7 or a7r are really a replacement for a professional photographer. The fact that you can use adapters and use are your lenses with equal or better image quality now hhhmmmm thats quite interesting and maybe is a replacement However somewhere in the back of my mind I am not sure if I should have just stayed NIKON and waited this out until more direct fit SONY lenses are available and to see how things played out......

I can only hope that SONY will release some fantastic glass all I really need is a nice prime which I think the 55 1.8 zeiss will be fine and a nice ultra wide lens. All the other lenses beyond that I don't have a need for but maybe an 85mm other than that I would be set.

Things to think about and food for thought.

Lots on Leica forum say the Noctilux 50F0.95 is a good match for the A7, one problem i did see when i had a play with the A7r was when stopping the lens down to F8/F11 the viewfinder got quiet dark which could be a problem when using studio lights, not sure if there is a way round it

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[vipgraphx]

That lieca lens is way to much $$$ for me...way out of my league thats for sure.

You can manually adjust the VF when need be...maybe that would help out not sure though. If I stop down to that number I am usually shooting HDR and most of the time everything is in focus so that really would not have to much effect on me.

 

[gsgary]

That lieca lens is way to much $$$ for me...way out of my league thats for sure.

You can manually adjust the VF when need be...maybe that would help out not sure though. If I stop down to that number I am usually shooting HDR and most of the time everything is in focus so that really would not have to much effect on me.

Too much for me but we can dream, i have not long bought a lens that could work very nice, the new Voigtlander 50mm F1.5 asph m mount not seen any examples yet

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[DiskoJoe]

That lieca lens is way to much $$$ for me...way out of my league thats for sure.

You can manually adjust the VF when need be...maybe that would help out not sure though. If I stop down to that number I am usually shooting HDR and most of the time everything is in focus so that really would not have to much effect on me.

Here's the poor mans hyper prime.

SLR Magic Noktor 50mm f/0.95 HyperPrime Lens for Micro Four Thirds Cameras SLR-5095MFT

 

[DiskoJoe]

Apparently even fake leica lenses are expensive

New Leica Noctilux M 50mm F0 95 Coffee Mug Cup Germany Design Camera Lens Leitz | eBay

 

[gsgary]

Search flickr for someone called Lies thru a lens

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[DiskoJoe]

Search flickr for someone called Lies thru a lens

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Are we supposed to be discovering something besides hot ladies?

 

[gsgary]

Search flickr for someone called Lies thru a lens

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Are we supposed to be discovering something besides hot ladies?

They are all straight out of the camera

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[photofree]

Perhaps this thread is why Sony is offering a $300 trade in on ANY camera towards a new a7 or r.

profound thinking about stuff

 

[bigal1000]

I owned 2 Sony cameras I sent them both back,I just cannot warm up to thier products at all,but that is just me and my opinion .........

 

[vipgraphx]

I can say from experience that the a7 is a very fine camera however I don't see it as a professional body replacement for studio work or weddings. It's a great camera for professional landscape work and some portrait work when time is not of the essence. Image quality wise both a7 and a7r will hold there own to any other dslr put on the market!!

 

[Derrel]

Read Thom Hogan's less-than-glowing review of the way Sony compromises its raw data by using highly-loss 11-bit data. Yeah, you read right: highly lossy, and ELEVEN bit data.

Sony A7 and A7r Review | Sans Mirror ? mirrorless, interchangeable lens cameras | Thom Hogan

And check out this shot to see how awful this can look: RawDigger: detecting posterization in SONY cRAW/ARW2 files | RawDigger