The Art

[kundalini]

Why are you guys feeding him again? You know every time someone posts an art thread this is going to happen... so why bother fanning the fire? :er:

I applaud these threads. It keeps him busy diddling about while leaving the rest of the community unscathed. Of course, you should realize that he is likely sitting there in his tighty whities just laughing at all the attention. It would not be any surprise to me if he was previously banned and this is a way of rectification.

 

[Derrel]

Roger Scruton happens to be a contemporary philosopher who has specifically discussed this topic. Those who wish to read and understand the arguments presented here should consult The Aesthetic Understanding by Scruton.

Here is another contemporary philosopher...the Unabomber.

Read it, then we can talk. http://cyber.eserver.org/unabom.txt

 

[bentcountershaft]

Not sure what you mean.

What don't you understand?

Is this art?

http://brionygilbert.com/custom/king_tutankhamun_golden_mask.jpg

Sure.

Looks like art to me.

What about this?

http://www.cs.utah.edu/~bigler/pictures/europe2002/italy/sistine%20chapel.jpg

Sure again.

What characteristics do they share, that we call both art?

Why would we all pretty much agree, this brick wall isn't art:

http://static.open.salon.com/files/brick_wall11254935255.jpg

Why isn't the brick wall art? Buildings can certainly be art.

 

[Petraio Prime]

Not sure what you mean.

What don't you understand?

Is this art?

http://brionygilbert.com/custom/king_tutankhamun_golden_mask.jpg

Sure.

Looks like art to me.

What about this?

http://www.cs.utah.edu/~bigler/pictures/europe2002/italy/sistine%20chapel.jpg

Sure again.

What characteristics do they share, that we call both art?

Why would we all pretty much agree, this brick wall isn't art:

http://static.open.salon.com/files/brick_wall11254935255.jpg

Why isn't the brick wall art? Buildings can certainly be art.

I didn't say building, I said brick wall, that brick wall. Of course architecture is one of the fine arts.

 

[Petraio Prime]

Not sure what you mean.

What don't you understand?

I think you're confusing the development of technology and especially new media with art.

 

[bentcountershaft]

I didn't say building, I said brick wall, that brick wall. Of course architecture is one of the fine arts.

Why isn't that brick wall art? That building could certainly be considered art.

 

[Petraio Prime]

I didn't say building, I said brick wall, that brick wall. Of course architecture is one of the fine arts.

Why isn't that brick wall art? That building could certainly be considered art.

Because it's 'just' a brick wall, just a collection of bricks, not a whole building.

 

[bentcountershaft]

Not sure what you mean.

What don't you understand?

I think you're confusing the development of technology and especially new media with art.

No, no confusion at all. Art incorporates new media as it comes along, as technology advances. Your philosophy doesn't.

 

[bentcountershaft]

I didn't say building, I said brick wall, that brick wall. Of course architecture is one of the fine arts.

Why isn't that brick wall art? That building could certainly be considered art.

Because it's 'just' a brick wall, just a collection of bricks, not a whole building.

Mosaics are just collections of tiles.

 

[Petraio Prime]

Why isn't that brick wall art? That building could certainly be considered art.

Because it's 'just' a brick wall, just a collection of bricks, not a whole building.

Mosaics are just collections of tiles.

Here is a work of architecture:

http://www.broroy.com/notre dame cathedral.jpg

 

[bentcountershaft]

Because it's 'just' a brick wall, just a collection of bricks, not a whole building.

Mosaics are just collections of tiles.

Here is a work of architecture:

http://www.broroy.com/notre dame cathedral.jpg

This is also a work of architecture:

http://a.imageshack.us/img189/7011/shedq.jpg

 

[Petraio Prime]

I think you're confusing the development of technology and especially new media with art.

No, no confusion at all. Art incorporates new media as it comes along, as technology advances. Your philosophy doesn't.

Hmmm. Why do you think philosophy needs to do that? Philosophy deals with the universal, core characters of things. You have a completely mistaken understanding of what philosophy is and does if you make a statement like the one above.

Here's a start for you:

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=what...&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=f4db40c2f987d02d

 

[bentcountershaft]

No, no confusion at all. Art incorporates new media as it comes along, as technology advances. Your philosophy doesn't.

Hmmm. Why do you think philosophy needs to do that? Philosophy deals with the universal, core characters of things. You have a completely mistaken understanding of what philosophy is and does if you make a statement like the one above.

So philosophy doesn't evolve? New ideas are not introduced?

 

[Petraio Prime]

Hmmm. Why do you think philosophy needs to do that? Philosophy deals with the universal, core characters of things. You have a completely mistaken understanding of what philosophy is and does if you make a statement like the one above.

So philosophy doesn't evolve? New ideas are not introduced?

Philosophy is a process, not an end in itself. It relies on analysis and argument.

 

[bentcountershaft]

So philosophy doesn't evolve? New ideas are not introduced?

Philosophy is a process, not an end in itself. It relies on argument.

So it seems pretty obvious to me that philosophy never has the final word on anything.