The Art

[Petraio Prime]

Is this art? Yes? No?

Yes, of course it is.

Umm, they're photographs. :lmao:

No, they're photons.

 

[KenC]

Are you guys still going on about "art"? Don't you ever sleep or actually photograph anything? Just shoot what makes you happy or what you can sell. "Art" is only a label affixed after the fact by critics or art historians trying to justify their existence.

I just get tired of photographers who feel they are ennobled by calling their work 'art', as if making art were the highest endeavour of man. It isn't. Dentistry is.

So, listen up, folks:

Art is no better than photography
Artists are no better than photographers
Calling yourself and artist when you are a photographer is like calling yourself a riveter when you're a carpenter.

If you really want to impress people, tell them you're a dentist.

:lmao:

Dentistry "the highest endeavour of man"? I thought it was brewing!

 

[Petraio Prime]

Are you guys still going on about "art"? Don't you ever sleep or actually photograph anything? Just shoot what makes you happy or what you can sell. "Art" is only a label affixed after the fact by critics or art historians trying to justify their existence.

I just get tired of photographers who feel they are ennobled by calling their work 'art', as if making art were the highest endeavour of man. It isn't. Dentistry is.

So, listen up, folks:

Art is no better than photography
Artists are no better than photographers
Calling yourself and artist when you are a photographer is like calling yourself a riveter when you're a carpenter.

If you really want to impress people, tell them you're a dentist.

:lmao:

Dentistry "the highest endeavour of man"? I thought it was brewing!

Sicilian wine-making?

 

[Infidel]

Is this art? Yes? No?

Yes, of course it is.

Umm, they're photographs. :lmao:

No, they're photons.

Waves or particles?

 

[Petraio Prime]

Umm, they're photographs. :lmao:

No, they're photons.

Waves or particles?

Ask Heisenberg; maybe he knows, maybe he doesn't.

 

[Overread]

Umm, they're photographs. :lmao:

No, they're photons.

Waves or particles?

ahh now I get it! Its nothing to do with art or not, its to do with base materials! Clearly art can only be made with particles or waves whilst halfbreeds are not allowed! I think that is some sort of racism so to keep things politically and morally correct photography must remain an art form!

 

[usayit]

Oops, in my haste of posting a quote, I also forgot an important sentence in that passage:

"In itself, photography is simply a medium, like oil paint, or pastel, used to make art and has no inherent claim to being art. What distinguishes any art from a craft is why, not how, it is done."

- Horst Woldemar Janson, Anthony F. Janson



(ok I lied.. I left it out on purpose thinking it would be useful to be used later on)



Do you hear something? Yup.. its my credit card completing a purchase of a more valid/complete resource on said topic... PP, thanks for pointing out a good book.

 

[Petraio Prime]

Oops, in my haste of posting a quote, I also forgot an important sentence in that passage:

"In itself, photography is simply a medium, like oil paint, or pastel, used to make art and has no inherent claim to being art. What distinguishes any art from a craft is why, not how, it is done."

- Horst Woldemar Janson, Anthony F. Janson



(ok I lied.. I left it out on purpose thinking it would be useful to be used later on)



Do you hear something? Yup.. its my credit card completing a purchase of a more valid/complete resource on said topic... PP, thanks for pointing out a good book.

No, it's not, and of course he's full of crap. It's not "simply a medium, like oil paint, or pastel, used to make art".
Janson defined what art is, properly, by saying it's "something tangible made by human hands". If you understand what photography is, you know it's not "something tangible made by human hands".

 

[usayit]

Congrats.. you just made a suggestion (even quoted) to a reference you now think is total crap. That's really impressive.

Maybe you should warn me about which other chapters are crap.... or did you even read it?

 

[Petraio Prime]

Congrats.. you just made a suggestion (even quoted) to a reference you now think is total crap. That's really impressive.

Maybe you should warn me about which other chapters are crap.... or did you even read it?

It's possible for people to make mistakes and contradict themselves.

Do you think the Egyptian statues and sculptures are art, and if so why?

 

[usayit]

Chapter 3, 17.1 - "He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight"
Chapter 3, 17.2 - "He will win who knows how to handle both superior and inferior forces"
Chapter 3, 18 - "Hence the saying: If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles."

- Sun Tzu - "The ART of War"

 

[Petraio Prime]

Chapter 3, 17.1 - "He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight"
Chapter 3, 17.2 - "He will win who knows how to handle both superior and inferior forces"
Chapter 3, 18 - "Hence the saying: If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles."

- Sun Tzu - "The ART of War"

Gosh, I didn't know he wrote that in English!



So, are the Egyptian statues art or not? Give me an answer.

 

[usayit]

Chapter 4, 1: "The good fighters of old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an opportunity of defeating the enemy. To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself"

- Sun Tzu "The ART of War."

Too dense to figure it out eh? I'm not the self-proclaimed expert, I need not take you on level ground. I simply take the high ground and wait for an opportunity. Let me simplify it for you... The burden of proof is on you. Not I.


Gosh.. this is fun...

 

[Petraio Prime]

Chapter 4, 1: "The good fighters of old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an opportunity of defeating the enemy. To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself"

- Sun Tzu "The ART of War."

Too dense to figure it out eh? I'm not the self-proclaimed expert, I need not take you on level ground. I simply take the high ground and wait for an opportunity. Let me simplify it for you... The burden of proof is on you. Not I.


Gosh.. this is fun...

English seems not to be your strength. It should be "on me".

There is no 'proof' required here. It is simply an analysis of the terms. If we call the Egyptian statuary and wall engravings 'art', when there was no self-expression involved, why do we call them 'art'? Surely you must have some idea.

I can show that the criteria for calling photography 'art' and these ancient works 'art' are incompatible. In other words, they can't both be art on the criteria given by those who say photography is art.

So, fine, if you want photography to be art, you can have it, but the entire history of 'art' is gone along with it. No Mona Lisa, no Sistine Chapel, no Last Supper, no Venus d'Milo, no monumental sculptures of ancient Egypt or Persia or Greece or Rome can be considered art, just so you and all your photographer wanna-be-artists friends can call yourselves 'artists'.

Are you happy with that outcome?

Didn't think so.

 

[usayit]

English seems not to be your strength. It should be "on me".

Are you happy with that outcome?

Didn't think so.

Nope.. English is not my strength. I code for a living. Engineers much prefer organized logic thought in short bursts which

Actually.. I am satisfied with the outcome.