The Art

[usayit]

I agree.... yes the car can theoretically drive upside down as long as the forces "sucking" it to the surface are greater than the forces of gravity. Seems totally plausible just as long as the car can continue without interruption.


btw.. I'm liking all the explanations in regards to humanoids that I posted! VERY interesting thoughts.


How the world did evolution end up with the likes of the platypus? One weird mammal... poisonous too!



Wisdom or Intelligence... Which is more important for the humanity?

Both in equal doses. Sheer intelligence without wisdom could lead you down the road to politician.

Neither, basic inborn common sense. Wisdom can be acquired, but a person either possess or does not possess common sense. The intelligent man gains wisdom faster than the man of lesser intelligence. Neither can gain however common sense.

Of course, I don't believe wisdom and intelligence is not mutually exclusive.. each are present in everyone. I wonder though... If Sheer intelligence without wisdom is bad then what is sheer wisdom without intelligence?

Some believe that common sense and wisdom are one of the same (Me included). As wisdom allows us to use intelligence/knowledge properly. Friends of mine "feel" that all the problems in present day society can be linked to a focus on intelligence (schooling of math, science, etc) but a lack of focus on wisdom (Philosophy for example is rarely part of high school curriculum)

 

[table1349]

I agree.... yes the car can theoretically drive upside down as long as the forces "sucking" it to the surface are greater than the forces of gravity. Seems totally plausible just as long as the car can continue without interruption.


btw.. I'm liking all the explanations in regards to humanoids that I posted! VERY interesting thoughts.


How the world did evolution end up with the likes of the platypus? One weird mammal... poisonous too!


Wisdom or Intelligence... Which is more important for the humanity?

Both in equal doses. Sheer intelligence without wisdom could lead you down the road to politician.

Neither, basic inborn common sense. Wisdom can be acquired, but a person either possess or does not possess common sense. The intelligent man gains wisdom faster than the man of lesser intelligence. Neither can gain however common sense.

Of course, I don't believe wisdom and intelligence is not mutually exclusive.. each are present in everyone. I wonder though... If Sheer intelligence without wisdom is bad then what is sheer wisdom without intelligence?

Some believe that common sense and wisdom are one of the same (Me included). As wisdom allows us to use intelligence/knowledge properly. Friends of mine "feel" that all the problems in present day society can be linked to a focus on intelligence (schooling of math, science, etc) but a lack of focus on wisdom (Philosophy for example is rarely part of high school curriculum)

I see a distinction between wisdom and common sense. In college I had a roommate that was very intelligent. He had a 4.0 GPA his entire life. However he didn't have the common sense God gave a turnip. He was a pre med student and as far as his abilities to learn the various subjects necessary he was quite capable.

In real world life situations he was dumber than a rock. He never learned how to cope with life with other humans. Was he wise about his chosen field of medicine, you bet. But his understanding of common things in life was all but non existent. I guess I see common sense in humans being more closely related to knowing right from wrong and being able to act on that knowledge.

 

[Flash Harry]

I watched a TV show about Bondi beach lifeguards yesterday, the sea was pretty rough with a 2-3metre swell, a Doctor, new immigrant, non swimmer disappeared, the lifeguard was unsure whether he'd simply got out of the water while he wasn't looking, 2 and1/2 hours later the docs wife and 18 year old son report him missing, a search recovered his body. There is no link between intelligence and common sense, if you can't swim common sense would tell you to stay out of the water, obviously this intelligent individual didn't possess this basic survival instinct we call common sense. H

 

[usayit]

I see a distinction between wisdom and common sense. In college I had a roommate that was very intelligent. He had a 4.0 GPA his entire life. However he didn't have the common sense God gave a turnip. He was a pre med student and as far as his abilities to learn the various subjects necessary he was quite capable.

In real world life situations he was dumber than a rock. He never learned how to cope with life with other humans. Was he wise about his chosen field of medicine, you bet. But his understanding of common things in life was all but non existent. I guess I see common sense in humans being more closely related to knowing right from wrong and being able to act on that knowledge.

What you describe is common sense versus intelligence.. is it not? Your friend is very intelligent and capable maintaining a 4.0 GPA, finishing pre-med, understanding medicine, and acquiring more knowledge. Doesn't it require wisdom to know right from wrong?

It is my opinion that Wisdom includes but not limited to

* the root of morals
* ability to determine right and wrong
* the ability to apply intelligence properly

It is the foundation of a healthy society. A society in which wisdom is abundant can thrive even though its progress forward (advancements in technology for example) can be slow.

Can an wise individual be also corrupt? (IMO, No). Can an intelligent individual be also corrupt? (IMO, yes)

 

[Overread]

I'm not convinced that elephants pass down memories. I suspect that they have a very innate natural instinct. Just as migratory birds know when to fly north or south depending on the season as well as returning to the same location. Just my opinion though.

As man gained in intelligence he lost not only his much stronger senses of smell and hearing, but I suspect we also lost a lot of our inborn instincts necessary to survive.

I'm more convinced that when we developed our own language and started to live sedentary life that did not rely upon wilderness surivial we started to blind ourselves to the other languages on the earth. Its been shown time and time again that animals do have a linguistic component to their lives and I greatly suspect that this language could be far more extensive than we understand it to be. We still call birdsong a song and we like to listen - fewer people understand that each song contains a message and - if studied - can be understood. We tend to associate basic/simplistic meaning to these forms of communication because we only understand them at a basic level when in fact they could contain complex variations that we are blind to.

As for elephants passing down memories its got nothing to do with instinct and far more to do with learning from the other herd members - something that areas of Africa are suffering from because of the loss of many of the larger matriarch members of elephant herds. No matriarch means no passing down of historical pathways to the younger generations = which means you eventually get herds of younger elephants effectively lost in the wilderness - which tends to result in them hitting human settlements and farms.

 

[ann]

becareful usayit. here is a quote you used above (Philosophy for example is rarely part of high school curriculum)

 

[Warren Peace]

Wow, this thread is boring now. :er:

 

[KmH]

So, what exactly do you propose is stopping the plane from moving forward? As long as the brakes are off, the plane will move (and become airborne).

The ground speed doesn't matter. Air speed does.

Exactly, and because the of the conveyor belt, the airplane isn't moving and there is no airflow over the wings.

It won't take off.

 

[KmH]

Time does not move at a constant rate.

 

[usayit]

So, what exactly do you propose is stopping the plane from moving forward? As long as the brakes are off, the plane will move (and become airborne).

The ground speed doesn't matter. Air speed does.

Exactly, and because the of the conveyor belt, the airplane isn't moving and there is no airflow over the wings.

It won't take off.

You missed it .. conveyor belt has zero impact on air speed thus the plane is capable of forward movement regardless. Stop thinking of the plane as a car.. car generates forward motion be exerting on the ground while plane exerts force on air. Conveyor does not impact air. The answer is in the thread and the links have a detailed explanation and the video the experiment.

Plane will fly

 

[usayit]

Maybe this will help

Swimmer in a pool.. swimming at the surface. Conveyer belt at the bottom of the pool spinning in the opposite direction of the swimmer. Wil the swimmer make forward progress?

Yes. Conveyor belt does not impact the fluid (water) which the swimmer exerts force on to swim forward. Its the same for the plane... except air is the fluid

 

[usayit]

Double post

 

[Josh66]

THE WHEELS ARE NOT WHAT MAKES A PLANE MOVE.

The engines (jet or prop, doesn't matter), produce thrust. That pushes the plane through the air. The wheels have no 'motor'. There's just a bearing that can spin freely in either direction.

If this conveyor belt were running, the wheels would just have to spin a little faster (airspeed of the plane, plus the speed of the conveyor belt). As long as the bearings didn't burn up, nothing would stop them from spinning as fast as they needed to.

EDIT

I really do want to help you understand this - I'm not trying to be an ass...

OK, imagine a treadmill or conveyor belt or something... Now imagine that you have a toy plane...

Lets say the belt is going 10mph (the speed doesn't even matter... I said 10mph just for the sake of having a number.)... Take the toy plane and just stick it on the belt, and HOLD IT THERE. See how the wheels just spin, even though the plane isn't actually going anywhere?

Now, push the plane forward. See how you can still push it forward with your hand (thrust), and the wheels just spin a little bit faster (speed of the belt, plus the speed of the plane)? That is exactly what would happen. The plane will keep moving, and the wheels will just spin a little bit faster.

The ONLY thing the conveyor belt will be doing is turning the wheels. It DOES NOT MATTER how fast the wheels are spinning - it has no impact on the speed of the plane.

 

[Josh66]

Doesn't it require wisdom to know right from wrong?

It is my opinion that Wisdom includes but not limited to

* the root of morals
* ability to determine right and wrong
* the ability to apply intelligence properly

I'm pretty sure everyone knows the difference between right & wrong, no matter how 'wise' they are. Some people just don't really care one way or the other, some people do wrong things because they know (or think they do) that they can get away with it. I think they all 'know' that it's wrong though.

 

[Overread]

Doesn't it require wisdom to know right from wrong?

It is my opinion that Wisdom includes but not limited to

* the root of morals
* ability to determine right and wrong
* the ability to apply intelligence properly

I'm pretty sure everyone knows the difference between right & wrong, no matter how 'wise' they are. Some people just don't really care one way or the other, some people do wrong things because they know (or think they do) that they can get away with it. I think they all 'know' that it's wrong though.

Right and wrong depends upon how you were raised and upon what you define as right and wrong. To some the idea of killing another human is the height of evil - for others its a way of life and they think nothing of killing an outside who might threaten their way of life.