The Coffee House

[limr29 2]

Mary Lou, Cook and Gary have finally arrived at our hotel for the first leg of our trip. We are in Gilroy, the self-proclaimed garlic capital of the world. We took the long way up, along the coast, enjoying the sights of the sand and surf, rolling oak dotted hills and hundreds of miles of vegetables and vineyards. We made multiple stops along the way, coffee, tea and blueberry scones in Santa Barbara, breakfast in Santa Maria, three wineries in the Edna Valley and clam chowder and fish & chips in San Luis Obispo. Mary Lou, The Cook and Gary are beat. We have a SFSU graduation to attend tomorrow at the AT&T Park.

When I was teaching ESL as a TA in grad school, we would sometimes use speaking lessons built on real NPR interviews/news pieces. One of the lessons was about a vineyard in Gilroy that made garlic wine. Many of the people who tasted it commented that it reminded them of salad dressing. I wonder if Gary is going to try some while in the garlic capital of the world

 

[table1349]

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A skydiver drops in at breakfast.

Oh how fun. Staying at the D Day Hotel in Normandy I see. Does it come with an LCVP ride and perhaps the storming of La Selva Beach?


Okay, inquiring minds want to know, why is there a parachutist on the upstairs banister?

 

[waday]

Garlic capital of the world? That would be the lunch my sister made when she thought that one clove of garlic was the entire bulb.

She added 3 "cloves" of garlic.

 

[table1349]

Garlic capital of the world? That would be the lunch my sister made when she thought that one clove of garlic was the entire bulb.

She added 3 "cloves" of garlic.

That would make her ALMOST Italian. 5 "cloves of garlic" and she gets automatic citizenship.

 

[table1349]

Is it just me or does anyone else see a "are you kidding me" factor to this? Woman sues Jelly Belly, claiming she didn’t know jelly beans were packed with sugar

 

[waday]

Is it just me or does anyone else see a "are you kidding me" factor to this? Woman sues Jelly Belly, claiming she didn’t know jelly beans were packed with sugar

Ignorance isn't an excuse. She didn't read the packaging, so that's all on her.

 

[tirediron]

Is it just me or does anyone else see a "are you kidding me" factor to this? Woman sues Jelly Belly, claiming she didn’t know jelly beans were packed with sugar

On a common-sense level, yeah, agree totally, but this:

...Also, the first ingredient listed is evaporated cane juice...

IMO, is totally misleading, and a clearly under-handed, albeit [I assume] legal attempt to obfuscate the real nutritional Information.

 

[table1349]

Is it just me or does anyone else see a "are you kidding me" factor to this? Woman sues Jelly Belly, claiming she didn’t know jelly beans were packed with sugar

On a common-sense level, yeah, agree totally, but this:

...Also, the first ingredient listed is evaporated cane juice...

IMO, is totally misleading, and a clearly under-handed, albeit [I assume] legal attempt to obfuscate the real nutritional Information.

There are some subtle differences. Evaporated cane juice has a smidge more vitamin A, C and calcium than processed white sugar. There are also a healthier version of evaporated cane juice called Rapadura. Unlike most cane juices it is pressed but not boiled to cause evaporation. After pressing the juice is stirred over low heat until the moisture is gone. It is also not spun like most other sugar products. Natural sugar cane is brimming with vitamins, minerals, enzymes, fibers, and phytonutrients. Almost all are lot with most refining methods.

Is Jelly Belly using Rapadura? Who knows. However anyone that knows anything about candy knows it is filled with sugar.

Definition of candy
plural
candies

1. 1 : crystallized sugar formed by boiling down sugar syrup
   
   
2. 2a : a confection made with sugar and often flavoring and fillingb : a piece of such confection

 

[tirediron]

Is it just me or does anyone else see a "are you kidding me" factor to this? Woman sues Jelly Belly, claiming she didn’t know jelly beans were packed with sugar

On a common-sense level, yeah, agree totally, but this:

...Also, the first ingredient listed is evaporated cane juice...

IMO, is totally misleading, and a clearly under-handed, albeit [I assume] legal attempt to obfuscate the real nutritional Information.

There are some subtle differences. Evaporated cane juice has a smidge more vitamin A, C and calcium than processed white sugar. There are also a healthier version of evaporated cane juice called Rapadura. Unlike most cane juices it is pressed but not boiled to cause evaporation. After pressing the juice is stirred over low heat until the moisture is gone. It is also not spun like most other sugar products. Natural sugar cane is brimming with vitamins, minerals, enzymes, fibers, and phytonutrients. Almost all are lot with most refining methods.

Is Jelly Belly using Rapadura? Who knows. However anyone that knows anything about candy knows it is filled with sugar.

Definition of candy
plural
candies

1. 1 : crystallized sugar formed by boiling down sugar syrup
   
   
2. 2a : a confection made with sugar and often flavoring and fillingb : a piece of such confection

Agree, BUT.... at the end of the day, it's a form of sugar, plain and simple. If they want to call it "Evaporated cane juice" it should require clarification, eg: "Evaporated Cane Juice (Purified and enhanced white sugar)" or something.

 

[jcdeboever]

I over roasted this batch of coffee. More of a vienna roast than I would normally like. It seems to fit this drizzly/foggy morning though...dark and syrupy as it is.

Watch your feet

 

[waday]

Is it just me or does anyone else see a "are you kidding me" factor to this? Woman sues Jelly Belly, claiming she didn’t know jelly beans were packed with sugar

On a common-sense level, yeah, agree totally, but this:

...Also, the first ingredient listed is evaporated cane juice...

IMO, is totally misleading, and a clearly under-handed, albeit [I assume] legal attempt to obfuscate the real nutritional Information.

There are some subtle differences. Evaporated cane juice has a smidge more vitamin A, C and calcium than processed white sugar. There are also a healthier version of evaporated cane juice called Rapadura. Unlike most cane juices it is pressed but not boiled to cause evaporation. After pressing the juice is stirred over low heat until the moisture is gone. It is also not spun like most other sugar products. Natural sugar cane is brimming with vitamins, minerals, enzymes, fibers, and phytonutrients. Almost all are lot with most refining methods.

Is Jelly Belly using Rapadura? Who knows. However anyone that knows anything about candy knows it is filled with sugar.

Definition of candy
plural
candies

1. 1 : crystallized sugar formed by boiling down sugar syrup
   
   
2. 2a : a confection made with sugar and often flavoring and fillingb : a piece of such confection

Despite not explicitly stating "sugar" in the ingredients, "sugars" are clearly labeled on the nutrition facts portion of the packaging.

Anyone buying this from an "athletic performance" perspective (i.e., the lady) should be well-versed in nutrition fact labels.

This seems nothing short of a quick money grab through the hope of settling out of court.

 

[waday]

Is it just me or does anyone else see a "are you kidding me" factor to this? Woman sues Jelly Belly, claiming she didn’t know jelly beans were packed with sugar

On a common-sense level, yeah, agree totally, but this:

...Also, the first ingredient listed is evaporated cane juice...

IMO, is totally misleading, and a clearly under-handed, albeit [I assume] legal attempt to obfuscate the real nutritional Information.

There are some subtle differences. Evaporated cane juice has a smidge more vitamin A, C and calcium than processed white sugar. There are also a healthier version of evaporated cane juice called Rapadura. Unlike most cane juices it is pressed but not boiled to cause evaporation. After pressing the juice is stirred over low heat until the moisture is gone. It is also not spun like most other sugar products. Natural sugar cane is brimming with vitamins, minerals, enzymes, fibers, and phytonutrients. Almost all are lot with most refining methods.

Is Jelly Belly using Rapadura? Who knows. However anyone that knows anything about candy knows it is filled with sugar.

Definition of candy
plural
candies

1. 1 : crystallized sugar formed by boiling down sugar syrup
   
   
2. 2a : a confection made with sugar and often flavoring and fillingb : a piece of such confection

Agree, BUT.... at the end of the day, it's a form of sugar, plain and simple. If they want to call it "Evaporated cane juice" it should require clarification, eg: "Evaporated Cane Juice (Purified and enhanced white sugar)" or something.

If they added "cane juice", they have to say "cane juice", no? They can't say "sugar" if they didn't add sugar explicitly.

 

[tirediron]

...If they added "cane juice", they have to say "cane juice", no? They can't say "sugar" if they didn't add sugar explicitly.

Absolutely, but the key word is "evaporated". Once a juice has been evaporated, it's no longer a juice. Again, I'm not disagreeing that this is clearly a money grab, nor that you would have to be three flavours of a moron to make a claim like, "I didn't know jelly beans had sugar in them!". What I am saying is that using a term such as "evaporated [sugar] cane juice" instead of sugar, or, even "Sweetener derived from evaporated sugar cane juice" is a deliberate attempt to mislead the consumer.

 

[table1349]

...If they added "cane juice", they have to say "cane juice", no? They can't say "sugar" if they didn't add sugar explicitly.

Absolutely, but the key word is "evaporated". Once a juice has been evaporated, it's no longer a juice. Again, I'm not disagreeing that this is clearly a money grab, nor that you would have to be three flavours of a moron to make a claim like, "I didn't know jelly beans had sugar in them!". What I am saying is that using a term such as "evaporated [sugar] cane juice" instead of sugar, or, even "Sweetener derived from evaporated sugar cane juice" is a deliberate attempt to mislead the consumer.

Yes, but not always. The word Sugar covers a lot of territory other than just that white crystalline stuff we all think of. Brown sugars are less refined containing various amounts of molasses, a sugar refining by product. Sugars also does not just come from sugar cane. There is beet sugar, as well as other plants that can be used to extract the monosaccharides. There is molasses that comes from beets as well.

The term sugar in itself is misleading, but using terms such as sucrose, dextrose, fructose, and galactose would be too confusing for most people. Corn syrup is also a monosaccharide being refined into fructose. It is a different form of monosaccharide than is sucrose, that is why whenever you are working with sugar in the kitchen and heating it alone to melt, it is good to add just a touch of corn syrup to white sugar. If white sugar is heated, melted and disturbed or it is contaminated in the least it will re crystallize. Fructose, not being a crystal, will prevent this this from happening due to it's molecular nature.

Yes I watch Alton Brown. It is good to understand the science behind what we eat.

 

[smoke665]

Is it just me or does anyone else see a "are you kidding me" factor to this? Woman sues Jelly Belly, claiming she didn’t know jelly beans were packed with sugar

Ignorance isn't an excuse. She didn't read the packaging, so that's all on her.

Not necessarily in our legal system the courts have on several occasions added the test of whether the individual in question had the ability to determine the degree of the risk.