The Death Of Crop sensor DSLR's In The Future and move to FF DSLRS Only

[StandingBear1983]

I have been keeping an eye on whats going on these days, and it looks like the P&S sensors is slowly but surely moving up to the APS-C size sensor, while the DSLR's are getting the first 'cheap' FF sensor in september (Nikon D600), so as 35mm film were all FF cameras in the past, in a couple of years there will be only FF sensors for DSLR's while the P&S's will have in the future the APS-C sensors in a smaller package..what are your thoughts and feelings about this prediction? - by the advancements you see today, is it logical or not to think this can happen?

 

[EDL]

Certainly plausible. What's to say we won't see larger than FF, something akin to a size between FF and medium format? We've seen the move from CCD to CMOS. Who knows what sort of technology will come out in the future. Maybe they'll figure out how to pack higher pixel densities without the noise issues? Anything is possible and digital also seems to have a way of eventually changing all the old standards when it comes to sizes, dimensions, etc.

 

[Josh66]

Less-than-Full-Frame cameras will never completely disappear (APS came after 35mm - some people like small cameras), IMO. Maybe for DSLRs, but not for cameras in general.

As far as DSLRs, I would welcome it. Crop sensors are annoying to me. It makes all of my lenses too long.

 

[brian_f2.8]

Im going to buy the next iphone that has a fx sensor!

 

[SCraig]

Less-than-Full-Frame cameras will never completely disappear (APS came after 35mm - some people like small cameras), IMO. Maybe for DSLRs, but not for cameras in general.

As far as DSLRs, I would welcome it. Crop sensors are annoying to me. It makes all of my lenses too long.

I don't like small cameras but I do like APS-C sensors. Full-frame sensors are annoying to me because they make my lenses too short

 

[Overread]

Remember depth of field is pretty much married to your sensor size. So there will always be some argument for variations in the size of the sensor even if resolution and detail resolving are lesser differences. I think the DSLR world could possibly move toward a 35mm dominated sensor market if they can replace the entire crop sensor market with same priced 35mm sensors. The backlash from that is two fold though:

1) As said some people like having a smaller sensor. Yes you can crop fullframe shots, but many like to get the shot in the camera. Heck canon still have a 1.3 crop sensor body in their 1D line up (In fact I could see 1.3Crop being a good compromise between the two).

2) Lens size - crop sensor lenses are smaller than fullframe ones. I suspect, at entry level at least, we will retain the crop sensor for the lighter user/casual market. The upper range bodies be they 35mm or crop sensor tend to end up very similar in size - whilst at the lower end there is still demand for the smaller bodies and lenses (though the DSLR could always end up losing this market to the high class m3/4rds interchangables).

 

[KmH]

There was APS-C, P, and H film and cameras - Advanced Photo System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Josh66]

There was APS-C, P, and H film and cameras - Advanced Photo System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you implying that we might see the 'H' and 'P' sensors one day?

The film was the same for all three, and the image on the film was the same too. it was basically just a camera setting that told the lab how you wanted it cropped. It didn't matter which option you chose, the actual image on the film was always the largest one (C?).

I had (still have actually, though I can't remember the last time I used it) a Canon Elph II APS camera. I loved how small it was (pretty much the exact same size as a pack of cigarettes, which is pretty small for a film camera).

 

[rexbobcat]

There was APS-C, P, and H film and cameras - Advanced Photo System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you implying that we might see the 'H' and 'P' sensors one day?

The film was the same for all three, and the image on the film was the same too. it was basically just a camera setting that told the lab how you wanted it cropped. It didn't matter which option you chose, the actual image on the film was always the largest one (C?).

I had (still have actually, though I can't remember the last time I used it) a Canon Elph II APS camera. I loved how small it was (pretty much the exact same size as a pack of cigarettes, which is pretty small for a film camera).

The Canon 1D series cameras (excluding the 1Dx) use an APS-H sensor. I'm not sure if there is the same correlation between the film version and digital version but there are variations. From what I know though, the APS-H size is dying out.

 

[Josh66]

There was APS-C, P, and H film and cameras - Advanced Photo System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you implying that we might see the 'H' and 'P' sensors one day?

The film was the same for all three, and the image on the film was the same too. it was basically just a camera setting that told the lab how you wanted it cropped. It didn't matter which option you chose, the actual image on the film was always the largest one (C?).

I had (still have actually, though I can't remember the last time I used it) a Canon Elph II APS camera. I loved how small it was (pretty much the exact same size as a pack of cigarettes, which is pretty small for a film camera).

The Canon 1D series cameras (excluding the 1Dx) use an APS-H sensor. I'm not sure if there is the same correlation between the film version and digital version but there are variations. From what I know though, the APS-H size is dying out.

Now that I think of it, H might have been the largest one.

I seem to remember 'C' as Classic (cropped on the sides), 'P' as Panorama (cropped on top & bottom), and I don't remember what 'H' (uncropped) was... Maybe Huge (in comparison, lol).

 

[StandingBear1983]

Think about it for a minute, take Nikon's lineup today, for example, if the D600 comes out it will take some of the 7000 series out, because it will be almost the same price, and people will realize what they can get with almost or the same money. - the 3000\5000 series might stay for a couple of years more...but who really knows what will happen in 5 years...

Theoretically look at what happened these last 5-10 years...back then you had a 6000$ camera (D1\D2) with a APS-C sensor, while now, in 3 months you'll have a FF FX 1500$ camera (D600).

Some options that can happen :

1. FF will become cheaper and will slowly 'take out' the 7000\300 series.
2. the 3000\5000 series DSLR's will become dirt cheap and everybody could buy them instead of a P&S.
3. P&S will start having 3/4 sensors or even aps-c in them and 'take out' some of the beginner DSLR's or compete with mirrorless.
4. mirrorless will start taking out beginner DSLR's by moving up from 3/4 sensor to APS-C (like the high end mirrorless Sony Nex 7).
5. P&S will die by mirrorless cameras.
6. all nikon DSLR cameras will become FF, and the pricing will be measured by what features each series has.
7. Digital Medium format sensors will go down in price towards being available to the public (the 'beginner' hassleblad went down 22% in pricing this month alone) - maybe we will see Nikon making a medium format in the next 5 years because of the reduce in pricing? - the D900 might be a medium format 3000$ body in 4/5 years who knows.
8. nothing will 'die' but all the different sensors will become cheaper and better.

Just throwing things up in the air here..these are things that i can assume from what we can see whats going on today...

 

[o hey tyler]

This is silly

 

[unpopular]

my question is who is going to be the first to grow out of the 35mm format? My guess is Nikon or Sony. Nikon already has a lot experience with in-camera cropping, and Sony's, albeit a bit dopy, SLT 'technology' is very capable to easily adapt to lenses of different image circles. Canon I think will hold on to 35mm for dear life, but will eventually move on.

I kind of wonder if the rumored Sony full frame square sensor will have a 2" waist level EVF with an optional slide-on eye level EVF with similar configuration to the old medium format SLRs.... It'd be weird, but I have to admit, I kind of like the idea.

 

[StandingBear1983]

This is silly

Nothing is 'silly'. what is 'silly' for you is not 'silly' for me, semantic subjectivity. - asking questions and making assumptions about future technology is hardly 'silly'. the claim that 'this is silly' is within itself very 'silly' .

 

[StandingBear1983]

my question is who is going to be the first to grow out of the 35mm format? My guess is Nikon or Sony. Nikon already has a lot experience with in-camera cropping, and Sony's, albeit a bit dopy, SLT 'technology' is very capable to easily adapt to lenses of different image circles. Canon I think will hold on to 35mm for dear life, but will eventually move on.

I kind of wonder if the rumored Sony full frame square sensor will have a 2" waist level EVF with an optional slide-on eye level EVF with similar configuration to the old medium format SLRs.... It'd be weird, but I have to admit, I kind of like the idea.

I'm betting on Nikon's horse to move up to medium format when it gets cheaper for mass produce like FF is now. maybe Sony as well, because there working together.

I don't know what to tell you about Sony...the A99 looks great on paper, the features are better then any FF today...what will actually be in reality is a different story...even if it will have 128 focus points, will it focus better and faster then Nikon's 51 points on the D4...i don't know....that's what i mean about sony....