The TPF Inner Circle - Google+

[GooniesNeverSayDie11]

Call me crazy, but what's the point of TPF members conversing on Google+ rather than just conversing here??

Also, I think it's funny that this is in the beginner's forum, yet you said "I do not wish to clog up the circle with newbie users". The beginner forum is going to be FULL of "newbie users". Yes, it's high traffic...but most of the traffic is the demographic that you don't want included in "our circle" (which is really your circle, since you're the one deciding who is invited and who isn't).

I'll just stick with the official TPF...

This thread is a prime example of the difference. The circle would allow communication among a pre-screened group, whereas on here, every post devolves into a steaming pile of crap due to all of the unneeded bickering and potshots.

As for using the beginners forum for high traffic, it is my understanding ( correct me if I am wrong ) that the newbies are being helped by....wait for it......the experienced?

I am not deciding who is invited and who isn't specifically, I am merely setting a ground rule so that the circle does not turn into a mess. The main reason for only wanting credible members is because typically, people are more forthcoming and transparent on their personal info on an exclusive social network as opposed to a wide open forum. Therefore, for the privacy of anyone wishing to join, I would want the notion to be that this is a group that is a bit more trustworthy and established than someone with 5 posts that all reference checking out their website, or what the best camera to buy is.

Its really not that complicated, although I will entertain your need for starting controversy in threads that you don't really have any positive contibution to. My reasoning for this is that it may be more easy to understand to the future readers of this thread. It is also posts like these that simply make my suggestion all the more appealing.

Also, it should be noted that I am in no way shape or form asking people to choose Google+ over TPF. I am merely asking them to make it one more useful, inspiring or simply entertaining tool in their arsenal.

 

[2WheelPhoto]

Call me crazy, but what's the point of TPF members conversing on Google+ rather than just conversing here??

Also, I think it's funny that this is in the beginner's forum, yet you said "I do not wish to clog up the circle with newbie users". The beginner forum is going to be FULL of "newbie users". Yes, it's high traffic...but most of the traffic is the demographic that you don't want included in "our circle" (which is really your circle, since you're the one deciding who is invited and who isn't).

I'll just stick with the official TPF...

This thread is a prime example of the difference. The circle would allow communication among a pre-screened group, whereas on here, every post devolves into a steaming pile of crap due to all of the unneeded bickering and potshots.

As for using the beginners forum for high traffic, it is my understanding ( correct me if I am wrong ) that the newbies are being helped by....wait for it......the experienced?

I am not deciding who is invited and who isn't specifically, I am merely setting a ground rule so that the circle does not turn into a mess. The main reason for only wanting credible members is because typically, people are more forthcoming and transparent on their personal info on an exclusive social network as opposed to a wide open forum. Therefore, for the privacy of anyone wishing to join, I would want the notion to be that this is a group that is a bit more trustworthy and established than someone with 5 posts that all reference checking out their website, or what the best camera to buy is.

Its really not that complicated, although I will entertain your need for starting controversy in threads that you don't really have any positive contibution to. My reasoning for this is that it may be more easy to understand to the future readers of this thread. It is also posts like these that simply make my suggestion all the more appealing.

Also, it should be noted that I am in no way shape or form asking people to choose Google+ over TPF. I am merely asking them to make it one more useful, inspiring or simply entertaining tool in their arsenal.

 

[GooniesNeverSayDie11]

I'm with Sammie_Lou. I will just stay on TPF since you didn't like some of my earlier C&C posts.

Thats silly ( not your decision to not join, but your reasoning ) I, as well as many others, have disagreed on many posts. There have been heated debates and all that. Another example of the people I am looking for, are the ones who can rise above that and let things be. Not hold grudges and start fights with people simply because of disagreements. To be honest, I recognize your name, but do not recall any fights or major disagreements with you (but then again, I tend not to dwell on things so its hard to say ).

 

[cgipson1]

I will just use TPF... sounds a little too elitist to me!

 

[o hey tyler]

In this thread: People expressing negativity over something they are not being forced (by any means) to join rather than actually allowing people that do want to join communicate about joining.

Kind of self fulfills what Goonies was saying. By having a group of thoughtful, contributing members, we'd avoid all sorts of bull**** like this.

 

[MLeeK]

If you are taking it off TPF, isn't it now a G+ group and has nothing to do with TPF?
In the interests of controversy-which we are great at here-wouldn't that become a violation of trademark or copyright? TPF is owned by... well whoever owns the forum...
And would you only take reputable photographers from TPF? There are a LOT of forums out there with a LOT of great brains and talent in photography on them...
If you wanted to do an elite group of TPF's inner circle, why not discuss with the forum owners and moderators creating that forum/group here. The forum has that capability. You could either choose to invite your elite few or allow people to apply for membership to that group, but it'd still be here on TPF...

 

[o hey tyler]

MLeeK, I don't think the intent was to re-brand TPF into a G+ group. I think it was just a way for some of the long time, or new but very helpful members communicate in a more controlled and respectful manner. I don't see how it would be in violation of any copyright. It's essentially a means to socially network members together that share similar interests.

I personally don't see any reason to discuss it with the owners, because they are present on the forums ~.001% of the time, and TBQF it's none of their business really.

 

[Overread16 4]

You wouldn't even need to talk to the mods - there is a groups feature on the site already (though nobody remembers it exists )

As for splinter groups - nothing new there I know of 2 forums and am aware of at least another 3 or so that are based off members from TPF over time. If you want to form your own groups that's fine, no harm done and nobody gets hurt. However please refrain from widespread advertising of your groups on the site itself.

 

[sm4him]

I am only willing to add reputable and trustworthy posters who have ample postings and which I have interacted with before. In other words, people who have earned a spot in the Inner Circle

I am not deciding who is invited and who isn't specifically, I am merely setting a ground rule so that the circle does not turn into a mess. The main reason for only wanting credible members is because typically, people are more forthcoming and transparent on their personal info on an exclusive social network as opposed to a wide open forum. Therefore, for the privacy of anyone wishing to join, I would want the notion to be that this is a group that is a bit more trustworthy and established than someone with 5 posts that all reference checking out their website, or what the best camera to buy is.

Actually, you ARE deciding who gets in and who doesn't, and it IS Your circle, by virtue of the way Google+ works. For instance, *I* know that I am a "reputable and trustworthy" poster...but if you were to disagree, I would not end up in YOUR circle. That's just the way it is. I'm not even saying it's wrong, but it is not correct to say it would be "our" circle...I can't choose to put people in someone else's circles on G+, and nobody can put themselves or others into MY circles...so while you create it and call it the Inner Circle, mine might have twice as many people and I might call it "Those nuts from TPF."

I have NO problem with you creating a TPF circle on Google+...but it wouldn't be OUR circle. And, I did take a bit of umbrage with the call for invite requests being put in the beginner's section, simply for the traffic. That really did smack of elitism..."look at what I'm starting for privileged people, that you newbs can't be a part of!"

I really don't mean any of that to sound harsh...I think it's a fine idea to add some TPF folks to your Google+ circles...but why not just say, "hey, if you're on G+, look me up! THEN, from the people who add you, you can decide which of them to put in YOUR "Inner Circle."

Oh, and by the way, to anyone else interested...Hey, if you're on Google+, look me up! Sharon Monett, or sbm4him

 

[GooniesNeverSayDie11]

If you are taking it off TPF, isn't it now a G+ group and has nothing to do with TPF?
In the interests of controversy-which we are great at here-wouldn't that become a violation of trademark or copyright?

No More than creating a "Canon Shooters" circle would be a trademark or copyright violation of Canon. Friendship and socializing isn't copyright-able or trademark-able.

I am not sure if it would evolve into adding more photographers. Currently I have a circle with local photographers. For the sake of clarity, I keep them seperate. That way I can keep track of the posts being read.

Perhaps the forum does have that ability and perhaps it doesn't. I can assure you that its not easier than consolidating all of your social groups into one platform. The reason this would be different than the forum is because the main reason that I ( and many other established posters on here ) return to this forum, is to help others. This circle would not have that purpose. It would be a social circle more than an education circle. Sharing photos, thoughts, links without the critiques, loaded topics, or trolling. This would not be a replacement for coming to this forum, it would simply be an extension of that. If The forum moderators wish to set up something like that, more power to them. In an absence of that, I chose to go with what is readily available and able to be used for this purpose.

 

[GooniesNeverSayDie11]

Actually, you ARE deciding who gets in and who doesn't, and it IS Your circle, by virtue of the way Google+ works. For instance, *I* know that I am a "reputable and trustworthy" poster...but if you were to disagree, I would not end up in YOUR circle. That's just the way it is. I'm not even saying it's wrong, but it is not correct to say it would be "our" circle...I can't choose to put people in someone else's circles on G+, and nobody can put themselves or others into MY circles...so while you create it and call it the Inner Circle, mine might have twice as many people and I might call it "Those nuts from TPF."

I have NO problem with you creating a TPF circle on Google+...but it wouldn't be OUR circle. And, I did take a bit of umbrage with the call for invite requests being put in the beginner's section, simply for the traffic. That really did smack of elitism..."look at what I'm starting for privileged people, that you newbs can't be a part of!"

I really don't mean any of that to sound harsh...I think it's a fine idea to add some TPF folks to your Google+ circles...but why not just say, "hey, if you're on G+, look me up! THEN, from the people who add you, you can decide which of them to put in YOUR "Inner Circle."

No harshness taken, and I respect your opinion. I will disagree though. Once I push the circle out to the members, they can then add whomever they want to that circle. It now becomes THEIR circle. If they trust someone and want to add them to the circle so that the person receives their postings, then great. However, that person will not see any of my posts because I don't know them and/or may not trust them. As for a smack in the face to beginners, it all depends how you look at things. If you look at everything in a negetive light, then you will see it that way. I look at it as motivation for people to act appropriately on the forum and be a contributing member. Not a trouble maker. Not a troll. Not a spammer.

 

[GooniesNeverSayDie11]

You wouldn't even need to talk to the mods - there is a groups feature on the site already (though nobody remembers it exists )

As for splinter groups - nothing new there I know of 2 forums and am aware of at least another 3 or so that are based off members from TPF over time. If you want to form your own groups that's fine, no harm done and nobody gets hurt. However please refrain from widespread advertising of your groups on the site itself.

There will be no widespread advertising. Simply this thread.

Also, I can't state this enough, this is not a replacement for TFP. Even if the mods do not care, I want to make that intention clear to whoever reads this.

 

[e.rose]

I think an easier way to do this without getting all the sh*t from everyone else would have been to say:

"Hey, who here uses G+? I'm starting a TPF G+ circle and I want to add people to it!"

Then quietly select who you actually *want* in your circle... and then when you're satisfied share that circle for other's to use.

Wouldn't that be accomplishing the same thing?

I think people are freaking out because they don't understand how the G+ circles work... but I think I get what you're trying to do... and if that's the case, then stating it the above way probably would've saved you a lot of grief.

Cause really, that's all your doing... is creating a circle of people you want to communicate with via G+... and then just passing that list off to others who want to tweak it. It's not like the changes that others make to their version of the circle affect yours at all... so... yeah.

I get what you're doing (I think)... there just probably was a less "controversial" way of doing it, haha.

 

[Sammie_Lou]

Regardless of whether or not you join the "Inner Circle", please be careful posting your photos on Google+...from their terms & conditions:

"By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services.

You agree that this license includes a right for Google to make such Content available to other companies, organizations or individuals with whom Google has relationships for the provision of syndicated services, and to use such Content in connection with the provision of those services.

You understand that Google, in performing the required technical steps to provide the Services to our users, may (a) transmit or distribute your Content over various public networks and in various media; and (b) make such changes to your Content as are necessary to conform and adapt that Content to the technical requirements of connecting networks, devices, services or media. You agree that this license shall permit Google to take these actions."

 

[GooniesNeverSayDie11]

I think an easier way to do this without getting all the sh*t from everyone else would have been to say:

"Hey, who here uses G+? I'm starting a TPF G+ circle and I want to add people to it!"

Then quietly select who you actually *want* in your circle... and then when you're satisfied share that circle for other's to use.

Wouldn't that be accomplishing the same thing?

I think people are freaking out because they don't understand how the G+ circles work... but I think I get what you're trying to do... and if that's the case, then stating it the above way probably would've saved you a lot of grief.

Cause really, that's all your doing... is creating a circle of people you want to communicate with via G+... and then just passing that list off to others who want to tweak it. It's not like the changes that others make to their version of the circle affect yours at all... so... yeah.

I get what you're doing (I think)... there just probably was a less "controversial" way of doing it, haha.

That was the original plan. However, I figured that the people who responded and did not get added, would feel insulted or snobbed. I didn't realize it would be so hard for people to wrap their heads around this concept. If a group of people want to start a Google Circle for the Beginners forum, then great. I am not going to piss and moan about it or whine because I wasn't invited or included. It comes as no surprise, that there is a need for many people on here to turn everything into a big negetive debacle, when there is no need for it. It would have been EASIER for me to post the thread that way, but it would have been equally as easy for people to not post if they weren't interested in joining right?