Tragedy...busted my D90

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  1. Mr.Photo

    Mr.Photo No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    The OP didn't spend $600 for his used D7000. If you had read the entire thread you might have figured that out. Second as I mentioned MP count isn't the end all be all in photo clarity. As I mentioned I have a 24x36" print on my wall that is virtually every bit as clear after enlarging as it was when it came out of the camera. Unless you're blowing the image up or trying to crop an image to make a shot with a 35mm lens look like it was taken with a 300mm lens (which comes with other problems) then there is no need to have that many megapixels. Besides I shoot in RAW and keep all my files for possible future edits. I don't want to keep blowing money on larger and larger storage drives every year just to be able to store these increasingly larger and larger files.

    However marketing will continue to hype the fact that more megapixels equates to better pictures and because of this people will continue to buy the latest thing when it comes out believing that it's the camera that makes the pictures better and not the photographer.


     
  2. Jim Walczak

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    Well first and foremost here, I must absolutely question your psychic abilities since you have REPEATEDLY stated I payed $600 when I didn't. Again you've chose to read ONLY PART of the comments here...I did clearly state I only payed $380 for this camera and that it's in excellent condition. You also suggest that I don't know how many clicks are on the shutter...that was one of the FIRST questions I asked, as I was in fact considering 4 different used D7000's...the shutter count was a factor regarding my purchase. You've also made the suggestion that I don't even know if the camera will function when in fact I've even gotten a warranty with this purchase. It's rather interesting that you think you know so much about a purchase I made when wow...you weren't even there!

    I also find it rather interesting that you seem to believe you have ANY awareness at all of what my budget was as to suggest whether or not my purchase was "a mistake"...however again we see here that your psychic powers are again clearly malfunctioning as I never actually stated my budget.

    I must question your psychic abilities yet again as you also seem to suggest I have "over-looked the pixel count"...I haven't. Not sure who's mind you thought you were reading or who you were channeling, but it wasn't me. Had you of bothered to actually read my earlier comments instead of just jumping to conclusions again as you have now done repeatedly, you should have surmised this. As I've already stated, I was in fact quite happy with my D90...it was a great camera until the accident. Had I not have busted this camera, I would -NOT- have been considering another purchase/upgrade for some time. For the work I do both for myself and my clients, that 12.4 mp was quite sufficient, so the 16.2 of the D7000 is just icing on the cake for me.

    And your earlier comment saying "obsolete means it will produce an inferior image"...that's not only wrong, it's rather insulting! With that sentence alone you have made the insinuation that any photographer (including myself) who has ever shot with 10 or 12 mp camera has simply produced "inferior" pictures....I know MANY people who would take a great deal of offense to that! MANY people have produced some truly outstanding images using cameras with 10mp or less...if you are unable to recognize this, you CLEARLY don't know nearly as much about photography as you think you do!

    You seem to be under the horribly misguided impression that more megapixels are somehow "better"...and any photographer worth his/her salt can tell you that's not really the case. While I doubt you'll understand, let alone agree with this, more megapixels does NOT automatically mean better images. The fact of the matter is that it's not the number of megapixels, it's the QUALITY of the pixels. The more megapixels you cram onto a sensor of a given size class, the smaller those pixels have to be and this typically means the lens for each pixel is going to be of a lower quality as well (if not the pixel itself). In other words, all other things being equal (which is seldom the case), a 16 mp camera with higher quality pixels is going to produce BETTER images than a 24 mp camera with lower quality pixels...this is a fact. This is the same problem that compacts and cell phones suffer from...because those sensors are sooooo small and have sooooo many pixels jammed on to them, the image quality suffers every time. Again I just can't see how you can suggest I "over-looked this issue" when it appears I've given it a good deal more thought you you apparently have. At the risk of being horribly blunt, dude...you're being anal about the WRONG thing.

    Likewise you seem to have an equal misconception about cropping your images...if you have to crop your images THAT much on a computer, you're doing something SERIOUSLY wrong on the camera end! Either get yourself a longer lens or simply move closer to your subject...regardless of the cameras mp count, a severe crop will NEVER make up for the skills (or lack there of) regarding a poor photographer who can't properly frame the shot.

    I also have to feel incredibly sorry for you regarding your utter paranoia regarding used and refurbished equipment. I have in fact purchased both many times over the years with little or no problem at all...and I certainly won't hesitate to do so again. And -no-...it's not just a matter of luck. I do my homework and I know the products I'm considering so I can make good decisions on used or refurbished equipment (whether it's photography gear or otherwise...I also buy A LOT of used music gear as well). In fact the ONLY camera I ever purchased brand new was my Canon D40...payed close to $1000 around the time those bodies came out and that is the ONLY camera I've ever had fail (for anything other than my own short comings that is). In fact, while I seriously doubt you'd understand this, it could be argued that refurbished has the ADVANTAGE of having already failed...whatever was going to go wrong already did...and it's been gone over a second time by the factory! Let me be clear on this; there is a GREAT difference between caution and paranoia.



    I could in fact continue here, however you strike me as someone who is unlikely to see reason...you've made up your mind that you think you know what your talking about (even though as we've seen repeatedly, you don't) and I suspect that anything I say will simply be disregarded despite any degree of pragmatism or common sense I try to employ. You are of course, welcome to your own opinion, however based on your comments here (and elsewhere), I can't help but feel that you come off sounding like a gear snob more than anything else. You like to blow LOTS of money on toys and have no understanding why others would be less than inclined to do the same REGARDLESS of their own specific needs. Seriously...if the images you captured with your own D90 were "inferior" all because you feel the camera is "obsolete", dude...perhaps it's time to take up another hobby...maybe basket weaving or knitting.
     
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  3. astroNikon

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    Just because it's an older camera does not mean it produces obsolete images. If you use AUTO all the time then that could be a fair statement. But proper exposure is up to the photographer; if you use AUTO and leave it up to the camera then you get what you get.

    "you have no idea how many shots it has taken" ==> actually it is very easy to determine that. Take a photograph with full EXIF and read the EXIF data and it will list the amount of shutter activations. There's also many websites where you upload a photo and it will tell you this too.

    A d7000 is a great camera. Yes it's now an older 16mp body. But most Nikons are 24 or higher and most Canons are 20 or higher. Does that mean most Canons, even current models, are obsolete ? I don't think so.
     
  4. Jim Walczak

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    For those interested, the new camera is here and so far, everything it looking GREAT! As promised by my sales rep, the camera only has 57xx clicks on the shutter and it's in absolutely pristine condition. In fact if not for the shutter count, I'd swear the damn thing was new...not so much as a scratch on it (not to mention it still has that "new camera smell", LOL!!!!! j/k). I'm still working thru all the details and learning what's been changed/moved...took me a bit to realize there's a setting on that second mode dial to allow the use of the ir remote (had to break down and read the manual for that one, LOL) and I've had to go into the menus and change quite a few things from the previous owner to suit my own shooting style, but so far I'm very pleased with the purchase. So far the ONLY nit I'm seeing is that it looks like the video shooting time is limited to only 20 minutes (not sure if that can be changed yet or not)...I'll have to keep an eye on that as I do plan to use the camera at some point to shoot some vid of band gigs and such (our average set goes for about an hour). I was a bit surprised the ir remote is sooooooooo small...I'm gonna have to find someplace in my bag to stash that sucker so I don't loose it.

    Anyways, it's gonna be a few days at least before I can give the camera a good, full work out...the pup had her surgery Monday, so I'm gonna have to sit on her for a few days at least (not to mention the weather here in Ohio is gonna suck for a few days thanks to the remnants of Patricia), but I'll get some pics posted as soon as I have a few hours to get out the door...hopefully this coming weekend some time.

    Anyways, thanks again to all those who made positive contributions...looks like that D7000 is gonna be a great camera! It's a good step up from the D90 and it saved me some serious cash...looks like a win/win all the way around :headbang:.
     
  5. sm4him

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    Congratulations on the "new to you" camera! I still have my 7000, even though I've moved up to FF.

    Even though I have, and like, my D7000, I would probably have been on the "get the D7100" bandwagon. But your reasoning makes sense, and of course, the best thing is, you're really not out much money anyway--so if you DO decide to upgrade again in a year or two, you'll have gotten your money's worth from the 7000.
    P.S. Yes, the dual card slots are the Bomb! That one feature ruined me for being any camera that doesn't have it.

    I do not think that word means what you think it means.
     
  6. astroNikon

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    I loved my d7000. I sold it the other month with a OEM grip and 18-105 kit lens for $550ish range. The new owner put it to immediate use and hasn't stopped. Sounds like you'll do the same with your d7000.
     
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    I have a D7000 as a backup and it's still a great camera!

    You'll certainly have a lot of fun with it.

    Also, yes, the video does only go to 20-minutes but there's nothing to stop you editing the clips together :)

    Have fun!
     
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    Have fun with your D7000 and don't listen to the naysayers that say 16MP is not enough resolution. To answer your question on the video limit, it is set to 20 minutes to avoid overheating of the sensor and is not changeable within the camera.
     
  9. Jim Walczak

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    Yea...I'm gonna have to watch that with the video thing. In most cases it's not really a problem...as wezza said there, I can edit, however with the band stuff, that's gonna be a pain. Because I'm on stage playing, I usually just toss a couple of video cameras/camcorders on tripods, hit record just before we hit the stage, then stop/pause as we come off stage (to save on battery power and memory/video tape where needed). Since each set tends to go for around an hour...I may have to find someone to hit the record button occasionally or something (I -hate- doing that as I really don't like other people screwing with my gear...even for something so simple as pressing a button). The tricky part is gonna be the timing really...me thinks the video recording will have to be stopped and restarted between songs. I'm sure I'll figure something out.....
     
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    First off, I think Auslese is trolling. Come on, MP is the most important thing??? WHAT? I own a D60, that has 10MP. And some of the shots off that thing are absolutely beautiful. Troll or misguided newb...

    Second, GRATS on the new camera. Sorry to hear about your D90, I gave a moment of silence for it! The D7000 is a nice body, was looking at upgrading to one myself, but with the current news of a little one on the way, money has been routed to her.

    I hope you have great fun with your new camera and that you show off some great photo's, once your pooch is back to 100%. OR, you can take photo's of the pup as a means of getting use to your new camera ;). It also couldn't hurt to find a camera repair shop for the D90, if its a cheap fix, then I would save a few bucks and get it patched up. Like you stated, it would be a good backup.

    Happy shooting :D
     
  11. Jim Walczak

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    Thanks for the kind words...and I certainly agree with the sentiment about Auslese. Troll or newbie, based on the comments here and in one of his/her/it's own threads, the person seems rather uneducated at best.

    I have in fact been playing around with the new camera a little...mostly familiarizing myself with the controls and menus and such, however the fact of the matter is that most of my time and energy are just going into keeping the pup "quiet" until the stitches heal. At 6 months old, "quiet" and "calm" are concepts she just doesn't really grasp and there have been several times now where I've practically had to sit on her to keep her from bouncing off the walls! LOL! She's a husky/shepherd mix and she just has soooooooooooooooo much energy under the best of situations and right now, she just doesn't know what to do with herself. Here's a pic of her taken a few weeks back (before the D90 busted)...

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    As far as the D90 goes, I'm already snooping around for another D90 body that may have suffered an electrical failure that I can cannibalize for parts or maybe use for a transplant. I have some moderate electronics experience and I've done some repairs jobs on a few of my own cameras over the years, so I'm pretty sure I can handle it...IF I can find parts for cheap. At this point I'm not gonna put a lot of money into it...I've seen a few used D90's in decent shape around the $200 mark, but if I can snag a damaged body for $50 - $100, I think it might be worth farting around with. If push comes to shove, again I'll just use it as is...if nothing else, the LCD is fine so I can still focus with it and such and the pics taken after the accident all look fine.
     
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