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in reply to gryphon n craig...

the difference between shooting in manual and looking at the lightmeter in viewfinder and shooting in automatic is simple. I know exactly what both my shutter speed and aperture are.

For example, on auto, shooting in low indoor light the auto will usually result in a super long shutter speed. So the slightest camera shake or movement softens or blurs your picture.

In manual I get my aperture and shutter speed so i can get the depth of field i want and get a crisp shot, then i adjust my iso to get enough light. A little bit of grain is a zillion times better than a blurry shot.

manual mode>aperture priority/shutter priority>auto - in my opinion.

I also tried that manual with an auto-iso mode a bit. But haven't really formed an opinion yet. Started too late to get a lot of outside shots. So tomorrow I'll try that out extensively. It seems like a good idea.
 
So I'm weening myself off automatic. Still use it in a pinch, but I'm taking pictures constantly going from shadow to light, trying to get the perfect exposure and field of depth as fast as possible.

This is the mental process I use for shooting in manual. I'm looking for constructive criticism to make it better.

1. I determine the white balance of the shot. Inside orange, shady blue, or sunlight yellow. I either set the white balance to counteract it, or decide to keep the natural tone of the shot.
The 'auto' white balance setting is the most prone to error.
The preset balance settings are ok.
For best white balance in JPEG mode use the "custom white balance" setting. You'll need a neutral gray card. You snap a photo of the card (in same lighting as subject) and establish that gray-card shot as the reference photo for white balance.
If you shoot in RAW, white balance is not applied to the image. But you can still take a photo of a gray card and use that in post processing to apply white balance corrections.
2. Now I set the iso all the way down. If possible I want to ignore it. In fact, I don't think of iso as being part of the 'trinity' of exposure. To me its an extra option.
There's a reason your camera has an ISO setting.

It's a good idea to think about the relationship between ISO and noise. But I'd rather have a noisy image than a blurry image because my shutter speed had to be too long for a hand-held shot in order to use a low ISO. I can fix the noise problem in post processing. There's not much I can do about the blurry shot because the shutter was too slow for hand-held shooting.

And sometimes even if the shutter is fast enough for hand-shooting, it may not be fast enough for action. If you need to increase the shutter speed to freeze action, you may need to increase the ISO setting.

HOWEVER, with all that aside, if you have no problems picking the aperture and shutter speed you want for the shot AND you don't have to boost ISO to do it, then you'll get less noise if you keep the ISO as low as possible.

3. I try to fill the frame with the shot. So I zoom if necessary and this gives me my focal length.

Avoid using zoom as an excuse to not move forward or backward.

Instead, think about the angle of view you want for the shot. If I want to create a sense of depth, I might deliberately use a lower focal length because it gives me the feeling I want in the image. If I want compression I'll use a longer focal length.

I also will use a longer focal length at low focal ratio just because I want the background blur -- that I wouldn't get at a shorter focal length. So while I could be close to a subject, I'll deliberately use a longer focal length and just walk back farther to frame the shot the way I want.

That aside... "filling the frame" is often a good idea (it's not the "only" idea though... don't get stuck on rules.) But filling the frame means the viewer will have more fabulous detail to see in the image. We don't often need the "whole" of an object to know what it is. If you're photographing food, I'd much rather see the detail in the food than the plate (we all know what a plate looks like) so I don't hesitate to compose close enough that I'm cropping out part of some objects in order to get a better view of other objects.

4. I decided what kind of depth of field I want and need. If I'm not sure if I can get a perfect shallow depth of field, I stop it down a bit

The second sentence is good advice. You might like the look of the blur and want to maximize it, but sometimes that comes at a risk of ruining the whole shot because a few critical areas that needed to be in focus were outside the DoF.

5. Now I put my shutter speed at a minimum to my focal length. So if I zoomed to 200mm I put my shutter speed at 1/200

This is another of those "it's a guideline... not a rule" things. The idea that the minimum shutter speed should be at least as fast as the inverse of the focal length assumes (a) you have a full-frame camera (otherwise you multiple the focal length by the crop factor and use the inverse of the product.) It also assumes (b) your lens does not have image stabilization (image stabilization in lenses will typically buy you 2 full stops of shutter speed... and maybe even as many as 4 stops depending on the lens. And also (c) it assumes you _know_ how to use good camera-holding posture to minimize movement and you are actually trying to be steady.

6. Now I think about how bright the light is in the environment and how wide my aperture. I speed up the shutter speed to darken it if its too bright.

I tend to think about the constraints I may have before I approach the shot. Does our vision for this photograph require a shallow depth of field? If it's a landscape, you might want a broad depth of field. Is the subject moving? If so I might need that faster shutter speed to freeze movement (or if I'm doing a "panning" technique I might want to pick the shutter speed specifically to create a sense of motion through blur.) This means you might rather change the aperture or the ISO. There's no single rule that always works... it depends on the shot.

Two more things...

I think about the lighting effect I'm going to get if I accept the lighting "as is". I might rather move my subject to better light instead of adjusting the camera. If my subject is backlit, I might need to compensate to avoid an underexposed subject because the camera metered for the backlighting. I might want fill flash (and if I'm outside, there's a strong chance I will want fill flash.)

And the meter might be fooled by subject tonality. Meters try to bring the shot to a middle-gray value. But if the shot is SUPPOSED to be mostly black, the meter will tend to over-expose. If the shot is SUPPOSED to be mostly white, the meter might try to under-expose.

7. Now, if I have my shutter speed at my minimum in accordance with my focal length... but its still too dark... I might open up my aperture a bit. If my aperture is open all the way or I need to get a large depth of field... I finally go to my iso.

Again, what you change will really depend on the needs of the specific shot. You can't necessarily assume that you should change the shutter speed first, the aperture second, and the ISO third. I might do it completely the other way around. Modern cameras are so good with ISO that many cameras really have no problem with ISO 3200 or even 6400. Even if some noise is noticeable, there are tools that can completely eliminate tiny amounts of noise.

This is pretty much the process I go through when I shoot. Once I get a good exposure, I generally try to only use my shutter speed to adjust for exposure. I also aim low. In other words, I much rather underexpose the image, than overexpose the image, because its a lot easier for me to fix shadows in camera raw than blown highlights. Even though I try to just ignore my iso I tend to use it a lot indoors. It amazes me how much dimmer indoor lighting is than outdoor lighting even though it seems similar to my eyes. Also, it amazes me how I can look at a shaded area under a tree and the grass out in the sun right next to it and see both clearly, while if I take a picture of one or the other I can only expose for one at a time. The dynamic range of my eyes is sooooo much better than my camera.

Actually, your eyes are lousy. It's your BRAIN the does the work. If you have Netflix, go watch a few episodes of "Brain Games"... you might be surprised at how much your "eyes" (really your brain) will out-and-out lie about what you are seeing. The fabulous dynamic range that you see with your "eyes" in constructed by your brain and effectively it's an HDR image. Even the detail you see in your vision is basically a brain-created panoramic.

In outdoor situations, use a flash.

If you are shooting a subject in the shade, but there's a background which is in full sun, then exposing for the subject in shade will cause a blown highlight in the background. Instead.... meter for the background light, then use a flash to bring up the light on your subject so that they aren't underexposed. If your subject is about a stop lower (2/3rds of a stop might be better) then they'll still look natural -- it will look like shade with sun in the background, but it won't be so dark that you think of the subject as being underexposed, nor will the background be so bright that it looks overexposed.

While seasoned photographers will suggest that the pop-up flash on a DSLR isn't really very useful, this is actually one situation where it is useful (as long as the subject isn't too far away -- because pop-up flashes are wimpy compared to an external shoe-mounted flash.)

Right now I'm trying to train my hand and mind to kind of go through this process as fast as possible and do it with as little thought as possible. Trying to get a natural feel for it.

That's actually an excellent idea. You want to know where the controls are on your camera and be able to adjust them without looking. All the exposure information is in your viewfinder, so you should also be able to adjust everything without taking your eye away from the viewfinder (in other words your hands are operating the buttons and dials, but you're not looking at them... you're looking at your subject.)

There are numerous brain exercise you can teach yourself to do to improve your photography... so far you've mostly described the mechanical process of adjusting exposure. But the same applies for lighting and also composition.

My biggest problem right now is that the force required to click my button tends to shake my camera surprisingly hard, and its really softening up my pictures when I'm kind of in the moment taking candid pictures.

That is surprising. It makes me wonder about your camera posture and consider that you might not have a particularly steady grip on your camera. You may wan to work on your posture and camera-holding technique.

So... whatcha guys think? What am I doing wrong? How can I do this better?
 
I tend to adjust my ISO first. In the morning I will pick up the camera and run the ISO down from whatever high ISO I had left it at the night before. Probably raise the shutter speed and close down the aperture at the same time. Thats just using the top LCD to see the camera is ready for the day.

Through the day I think an analogy could be like a tennis player that always goes back to the center of the baseline between shots, the same with the camera, keep the settings in a range that only require slight adjustment one way or the other to get the exposure you want. Same for a zoom lens, put it at or near the focal length you want for the shot before looking through the viewfinder. Just like an athlete, these movements become second nature and you have the camera ready while your eyes are finding your next composition.
 
I previsualize the final image. Then I select camera placement and lens, then I adjust the ISO, aperture and shutter speed, usually in manual, to reflect my previsualized image.
 
The meter tells you what settings you need. Nobodies eyes can tell the proper exposure. You can guess based on experience and set the camera and then use the meter to see how close you came. Based on what you want in the shot you adjust speed and or aperture but the meter tells you if you've got it right.
A lot of photographers who grew up using cameras with absolutely no metering whatsoever built into them would argue that point.
 
As always, Mr. C., great post!

Allow me to ask you a few questions and make a few comments ...

"Actually, your eyes are lousy. It's your BRAIN the does the work. If you have Netflix, go watch a few episodes of "Brain Games"... you might be surprised at how much your "eyes" (really your brain) will out-and-out lie about what you are seeing. The fabulous dynamic range that you see with your "eyes" in constructed by your brain and effectively it's an HDR image. Even the detail you see in your vision is basically a brain-created panoramic ...

There are numerous brain exercise you can teach yourself to do to improve your photography... so far you've mostly described the mechanical process of adjusting exposure. But the same applies for lighting and also composition."

I find it rather amazing more people do not understand what their brain actually does. We accept that it does something or else we wouldn't be sentient beings. Yet most of us ignore what a sentient being actually means, even when their hobbies and profession rely on the very essence of that meaning.

Obviously, we (the collective "we", meaning primarily those scientists who do the research) know very little about the brain and even less about the mind. People fail to see those two things as completely distinct entities. Your "mind" is not your "brain". Your brain is the fire and your mind is the heat. One is the result of the other. Perception is the result of your mind and it is perception which drives most of our actions and our beliefs.

IMO we should all take a few moments to do a search engine for "belief systems". They are the bedrock of how we operate as individuals and as collective groups. We tend to belong to groups which share our own belief systems.

One aspect of our individual belief systems is the strange doubling down which occurs when we are presented with contrary information. The vast majority of people who feel they are open minded will actually double down on and dig further into their self confirmed beliefs when they are presented with data which contradicts their accepted beliefs.

Just as living in the echo chamber of your own beliefs is self defeating, so too is the resistance we build to new information. This extends to beliefs as simple as the value of shooting in full manual mode.

Perception is ultimately reality and, if you perceive something, you are 90% of the way toward making it your reality. Perception, however, is always frail and tend to failure.

It's what your mind does.

As a musician (of sorts), one of the most revealing books I've read regarding the human mind and perception of values remains "This is Your Brain on Music". I know of no such resource relating to photography. Is anyone here familiar with such a resource?

IMO this would be far more useful to most student photographers than even a study of the mechanical rules regarding, say, exposure.



"You want to know where the controls are on your camera and be able to adjust them without looking. All the exposure information is in your viewfinder, so you should also be able to adjust everything without taking your eye away from the viewfinder (in other words your hands are operating the buttons and dials, but you're not looking at them... you're looking at your subject.)"


No doubt, familiarity with the equipment is one of the greatest advantages a student photographer can obtain. Though, I wonder whether your advice is not one of those rules a photographer takes only as advice and not a set rule.

To state it briefly (not something I am normally associated with), what's wrong with looking at your camera as you set the controls?
 
Thank you for explaining your BELIEF SYSTEM.
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I started shooting, developing and printing, when I was in grade school with a meterless rangefinder. I had a paper route and purchased 100' rolls of Tri-X which I rolled onto cassettes. I use a meter to double check what I see with my eyes. I find a meter most useful for landscape/Zone photography, where I use the Adams' Zone methodology to establish my camera settings. Additionally, in tricky and extreme low light situations meters are indispensable for film ... with EVF's and chimping and time ... meters for a modern digital camera are less important if you understand exposure and how your equipment works.

The reason I shoot in Manual Mode with Spot Metering ... is because I'm often in tricky lighting situations, Theatre with spot lights, on the Streets with tall building, heavy shadow and backlighting, et al. I was taught as a photojournalist to meter for the most important element ... to meter for the story and don't worry about the rest. (This isn't good advise for many genres of photography but it works for journalism, especially with the three dots per inch of newspaper reproduction quality.) For most of my stuff I still follow that creed. Typically, I'll spot meter off the most important part of my subject, usually the face. Then I mentally calculate a zone value for the face and either open it up or close it down depending on the skin tone, the lighting and the effect I desire to capture. If it's a sporting event where the lighting is pretty even and reletively unchanging ... I'll meter off the grass and close it down a bit or off my hand and open it up a bit. Often, especially for Street shooting, I'll find something which is approximately 18% gray and center the needle ... or find something which I assume to be a certain Zone, center the needle then open or close the settings to reflect that value. While I am a big propornent of getting it right in the camera, for the stuff I shoot and for how I shoot, precise metering/IQ isn't as impportant as compsition/subject matter/image impact. If I shot genres like landscapes and architecture ... then the game changes.

As a photographer, I find it important to understand how my equipment works. Photography is as much a craft as it is a science. Both craft and science comes together when metering. There isn't any one single methodology for proper metering. If your photographs are successful, then you're doing something right. Understanding how the meter works (18% gray) and how to manually adjust your settings to optimize the captured image to reflect the previsualized image, will increase your keepers and consistency. One of the differences between the hobbyist and a pro is consistency. A pro can consistently capture the exceptional image day-in and day-out. Understanding and harmonizing with your equipment will up your game.
 
Awesome feedback guys.

I have a d3300

1. I dont get like crazy blur or anything from hitting the shutter button. Just every once in a while I hit it a little hard and it softens an image. Which irritates me.

2. When do I meter the light? I look through the viewfinder and there is lightmeter guage in there. When I'm adjusting the shutter speed with the command dial I try to get it so there is one bar on the left. This means its like... a bit underexposed. I do this because often when I get a perfect exposure in bright lighting, there will be something that is blown out. Like a highlight on a piece of metal or a spot in the sky or something. So the past couple days I've had some success doing to like that.

One of the reasons I dont like changing the iso unless its a last resort is yeah.... its hard. When I'm looking through the viewfinder, its really easy and intuitive to adjust the shutter speed with the command dial. Changing the aperture is pretty awkward. Changing the shutter speed? Sheesh. I have to like press a function button the left side of the camera just below the flash button. Half the time I accidentally hit the flash button which is sooooo irritating. So changing the iso is like a big deal for me.

I'm pretty sure though that soon I'll get a pretty good instinct as to when the lighting is just too dim and I need to bump up my iso. So lets say I walk into a dimly lit room. Ill just bump my iso up to 800 first and then do everything else. Or maybe if I'm doing some fast action photography, which never really have, I'll just bump the iso up first, then bump the shutter speed way down. In fact, now that I think about it... maybe I'll just keep my iso at like 400 or something, that way giving myself faster shutter speeds all the time, giving myself sharper images.

Yeah... I'll do that today. I'll just keep my iso on 400 n see how that feels. lol
Everyone's pointed it out but let's talk a bit more about blur

If you do NOT know your shutter speed and just use the exposure meter then that could be the problem.

For instance.
Let's say you are taking a picture of a tree
if there's NO wind, well, you could go down to 1/60th if you can hold the camera steady and get a sharp photo.

But what if there's wind?
you need a faster shutter speed such as 1/125 or 1/200th. But your exposure meter on a fixed ISO then shows it too dark. What do you do? you HAVE to increase shutter speed to stop the tree from being blurred due to the wind. Aperture doesn't affect movement, neither does ISO. Thus you HAVE to increase shutter.

To compensate what do you do? increase Aperture? You could but then the DOF may be too shallow to get the entire depth of tree in sharp.

thus you have one other alternative. ISO. raise ISO to compensate for Aperture and Shutter.

If there's heavy wind and the tree is really moving back and forth fast
same problem ... aperture and fixed. Shutter needs to be even faster say 1/1000th, and ISO has to be higher to counter the even shorter amount of light the shutter allows in.

Think about birds and the flapping wings - do you want some movement, or no wing movement at all? That dictates shutter speed.
Cars moving down the road
aircraft
anything moving.

With any movement how do you compensate to make the image sharp?
you do that with shutter speed.

and depth of field is done through Aperture which also is based on distance.

and ISO is used to balance the exposure.

So just using the exposure meter and put it in the middle does nothing because you still have to understand Aperture, Shutter and ISO to balance it to get a sharp image with the proper DOF (Aperture).
 
Thank you for explaining your BELIEF SYSTEM.
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No problem. I believe in sharing.

I used to believe in Charon but that's too difficult nowdays.

Then what shows up? Photographs of Pluto!

However, "Nothing is written in stone" is obviously false. There it is. "Nothing". Written in stone.

What am I missing?

Oh, I get it, ... irony.
 
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1. I dont get like crazy blur or anything from hitting the shutter button. Just every once in a while I hit it a little hard and it softens an image. Which irritates me.

While some will be reaching for their barf bags - belief systems, you know - here's a little something to consider ...

Fixing Unsharp Images
 
I would suggest you take a class and learn how to determine camera settings properly. Really, the more I read thru your process the more I thought it seemed like you were getting off track.

It seems like people pick up on a lot of information online that isn't exactly accurate, or maybe your process was just trial and error from starting out in Auto, but I think you might benefit from someone showing and teaching you how to determine the best settings in any given situation with various lighting, etc. You need to learn how to use the meter effectively, and how to determine what aperture and ISO and shutter speed to use.

My starting point FWIW is f8 and 1/125, that's where I reset my camera when I'm done so when I pick it up again I'll know that's where it's set. I don't usually use a slower shutter speed unless it's evening and losing light. From f8 I can open up the lens a couple of stops or close it down a couple depending on how bright/sunny it is. I usually start at ISO of 100/200 outdoors and 400 indoors and raise it as needed from there - all this depending on what the meter is indicating. I think learning how to get a proper exposure is key.
 
1. I dont get like crazy blur or anything from hitting the shutter button. Just every once in a while I hit it a little hard and it softens an image. Which irritates me.

While some will be reaching for their barf bags - belief systems, you know - here's a little something to consider ...

Fixing Unsharp Images

Classic Ken Rockwell -- occasional grains of truth scattered amidst the hyperbole and nonsense -- will that barf bag serve double duty for poop scooping?

Joe
 
Obviously if you type and type and type on and on, words and more words then you've got the "RIGHT" answer for the post. In any case --,

Even the old Nikon "F" had one of those little needles in the Photomic Head but on cameras with no built in meter, like the Speed Graphic or a straight Nikon w/o head, we did have a few basic settings but used an external meter that provided the speed and shutter setting. Experience and hand processing the negatives made up for guessing at settings based on experience.
 
Well for what its worth here is my thought process when taking a shot, and how I use manual mode.

First I decide on the thing I want to be my subject, this might be an idea, feeling or object. Usually its simply whatever drew my attention, but usualy there is something about a subject in particular that grabs me.

Next I decide on the limiting factor. Usually it is either shutter speed or aperture. I'll explain a bit more....

If something in the frame is moving and I want to freeze it (like a bird in flight for example) the limiting factor is shutter speed. If I need a lot of depth of field (like shooting landscape shots) its aperture. Sometimes it can be both, (for example a lanscape shot with a boat bobbing up and down in the tide).

So once I know that I can ballpark my exposure using some rules of thumb about blur, hyperfocal distance, DOF etc

Next I'll spot meter if I have time or multiple opertunities, deciding on where I want my metered area to fall in the histogram.

After that I'll dial in whatever ISO that gets me there.
 

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