VERY DISCOURAGING

[imagemaker46]

"C&C from a supposed pro" When on this forum only 1% are professional photographers, 10% advanced and very good amateurs, 25% are good amateurs, and the rest are just camera owners. You're going to end up with sarcastic comments. The professional photographers on here are more likely going to give you a reason why the photos aren't that great and what can be done to make the next one better. I don't comment on all the photos, some I just like. I make comments on photos that fall into my area of experience, which is sports. I don't often make comments on flowers, trees and rocks, other than maybe, "nice picture of a flower, tree or rock"

There have been some great photos posted on here that receive nothing more than a simple, "great shot" comment, and that's all that is required. There are alot of photos posted on here that would require a thousand words to explain why it looks as bad as it does, when simply saying, it should have been deleted in the first place.

 

[dphotography]

Theirs allot of beginners on here that ask questions or need some c&c from a supposed pro and all they get is sarcastic idiotic comments. We are asking for the constructive criticism . So please be more compassionate and help if you can or just keep your sarcastic unnecessary comments to your self. let me make sure i clarify I am ok with negative comments ,cause obviously if the pic is not great or good i want to know so i could fix it and learn from it . Thanks for your time

I know sometimes smart answers are given but mostly these are given due the same questions being asked over and over. There is a search forum that many don't seem to use. Most here that take the time to comment will more than likely give helpful advise. Having said this if you posted last week that you are not sure how to take your new $3000 camera out of the box, but this week want advise on how to charge $3000 to successfully do a wedding with one lens and the auto setting you are lining yourself up for smart comments. Also just as in day to day life there are nice people and people that are not so nice

And i get what your saying ,but in shape or form i have said i was a pro , and yes there are allot of nice people that have said in a nice critical way that my pics are bad and i don't have a problem with that ,that motivates me more and pushes me more ,i am talking about the unnecessary things that don't need to be said cause they have nothing to do with the pic .

 

[dphotography]

Most of the time that I see negative comments on newbies posts its due the the newbie being lazy and not searching/researching or they need to be brought off their high horse.

That being said I still don't support such tactics but I do understand when the are being used.

We have a lot of professionals on this forum, well seasoned and very punchy bunch they are. Personally I love the playfully banter they bring to the table but sadly it sometimes gets directed at the newbies.

There are plenty of other forums out there that will coddle newbies and tell them their work is great, but nothing beats some hard love kickstart the learning process.

i don't need any cuddle , I'am ok with the truth on how my pictures look,thats why i'am here to understand more what i'am doing is right or wrong.i'am also starting school ,reading books ,trying to learn as much as i can . Theres allot of post on here and i read allot of them . I might ask the same question someone asked before but that's not my fault .Why should i get a smart remark because they are tired of answering the same question. Thats not fare either. I didn't mean to offend anyone but its how i feel and my opinion

 

[12sndsgood]

A word of advise:

You can try to change everyone else, or you can try to change yourself.

I'm well aware that comments on this site can tend to seem hurtful or sarcastic, but quite frankly it's been that way ever since I joined. The funny thing is, the people that tend to be the most common "offenders" of that vein also tend to be the most helpful.

All I'm saying is that you can either choose to be offended by how someone offers you critique or advise, or you can choose to mine their knowledge for everything it's worth and learn from it. It's far more likely that you can adapt to the attitudes on this forum than it is for this forum to suddenly change the way it's always been.

As a postscript, there's a reason that the most helpful members on here also tend to be the most sarcastic. When they take time to give detailed, thoughtful critiques, it's often rebuffed by the original poster in a way that makes it obvious that they're not really paying attention. In other words, the original poster takes offense to those measured, carefully worded critiques as much as they do to the harsh, tactless ones. They respond to the positive comments with, "Thanks!" but refuse to acknowledge the wealth of information provided to them by some other person simply because they didn't like what they said.

Simply put, in coming here, it is your responsibility to learn from whatever responses you get; it is not the responsibility of the other members of the forum to hold your hand and lead you through the learning process, though if you stick around, I think you'll find that in their own way, that's what many of them are doing.

I couldn't respond any better then what is written above me /\

 

[dphotography]

I don't really feel like doing the work that the beginner should have done in the first place.

"lol just got my camera today! shot these in auto. whats wrong with thm?"

I don't know. Maybe you should STUDY. Have a little respect for the craft.

I went for two years just reading and learning before I started promoting anything that I did. I didn't waltz into internet forums yelling "TEACH MEEEEEEEEE!!"

This is not specifically directed at the OP, just newbs in general.

i dont need anyone to teach me ... that's not the case here..i am a mother of 4 military wife ..i know how to hold my own trust me ..c&C yes i do ask for ..a couple of questions i may need help with yes i do ask.and i have done lots of reading on my own ..but you entitled to your opinion and i 'am to mine

 

[jaomul]

If someone says something good or bad about your images and you take something from it, good. If on the other hand someone offends, insults or says something you consider not fair, well its a big internet with lots of people you don't personally know so ignore it. But to be fair on a forum such as this it is a little better to not be to sensitive. Enjoy

 

[12sndsgood]

Most of the time that I see negative comments on newbies posts its due the the newbie being lazy and not searching/researching or they need to be brought off their high horse.

That being said I still don't support such tactics but I do understand when the are being used.

We have a lot of professionals on this forum, well seasoned and very punchy bunch they are. Personally I love the playfully banter they bring to the table but sadly it sometimes gets directed at the newbies.

There are plenty of other forums out there that will coddle newbies and tell them their work is great, but nothing beats some hard love kickstart the learning process.

i don't need any cuddle , I'am ok with the truth on how my pictures look,thats why i'am here to understand more what i'am doing is right or wrong.i'am also starting school ,reading books ,trying to learn as much as i can . Theres allot of post on here and i read allot of them . I might ask the same question someone asked before but that's not my fault .Why should i get a smart remark because they are tired of answering the same question. Thats not fare either. I didn't mean to offend anyone but its how i feel and my opinion

If you didn't bother taking a minute or two to use the search feature then yes, yes it is your fault. if you searched and couldn't find the answer then you could put that in your post and people will generally be more helpful. I have seen people make a post and two posts down is the very same question that was answered.

 

[ghache]

I made myself a network of real professionals outside of this site so I can get real constructive criticism from real professionals. Not from any wannabe internet know it all photographers who is shooting the same crap since 1984 and has no real skills.

 

[dphotography]

If someone says something good or bad about your images and you take something from it, good. If on the other hand someone offends, insults or says something you consider not fair, well its a big internet with lots of people you don't personally know so ignore it. But to be fair on a forum such as this it is a little better to not be to sensitive. Enjoy

i am not sensitive just out spoken ...and like i said i don't have a problem with negative feedback but i 'am not ok with the unnecessary comments , and i didn't mean to offend anyone.

 

[jowensphoto]

Most of the time that I see negative comments on newbies posts its due the the newbie being lazy and not searching/researching or they need to be brought off their high horse.

That being said I still don't support such tactics but I do understand when the are being used.

We have a lot of professionals on this forum, well seasoned and very punchy bunch they are. Personally I love the playfully banter they bring to the table but sadly it sometimes gets directed at the newbies.

There are plenty of other forums out there that will coddle newbies and tell them their work is great, but nothing beats some hard love kickstart the learning process.

i don't need any cuddle , I'am ok with the truth on how my pictures look,thats why i'am here to understand more what i'am doing is right or wrong.i'am also starting school ,reading books ,trying to learn as much as i can . Theres allot of post on here and i read allot of them . I might ask the same question someone asked before but that's not my fault .Why should i get a smart remark because they are tired of answering the same question. Thats not fare either. I didn't mean to offend anyone but its how i feel and my opinion

If you didn't bother taking a minute or two to use the search feature then yes, yes it is your fault. if you searched and couldn't find the answer then you could put that in your post and people will generally be more helpful. I have seen people make a post and two posts down is the very same question that was answered.

Exactly! The search feature! Google is good too. Even if you google "Beginner guide to DSLR photography" or whatever

Go learn what you can on your own, come back here with what you've learned and ask about it.

By no means do I say this to offend, OP, but I'm SO tired of teaching others how to teach themselves.

 

[Alex_B]

I made myself a network of real professionals outside of this site so I can get real constructive criticism from real professionals. Not from any wannabe internet know it all photographers who is shooting the same crap since 1984 and has no real skills.

wow ... so that means no one on this forum should give any advice to you I suppose? Why are you still here then? (just curious)

 

[mishele]

A word of advise:

You can try to change everyone else, or you can try to change yourself.

I'm well aware that comments on this site can tend to seem hurtful or sarcastic, but quite frankly it's been that way ever since I joined. The funny thing is, the people that tend to be the most common "offenders" of that vein also tend to be the most helpful.

All I'm saying is that you can either choose to be offended by how someone offers you critique or advise, or you can choose to mine their knowledge for everything it's worth and learn from it. It's far more likely that you can adapt to the attitudes on this forum than it is for this forum to suddenly change the way it's always been.

As a postscript, there's a reason that the most helpful members on here also tend to be the most sarcastic. When they take time to give detailed, thoughtful critiques, it's often rebuffed by the original poster in a way that makes it obvious that they're not really paying attention. In other words, the original poster takes offense to those measured, carefully worded critiques as much as they do to the harsh, tactless ones. They respond to the positive comments with, "Thanks!" but refuse to acknowledge the wealth of information provided to them by some other person simply because they didn't like what they said.

Simply put, in coming here, it is your responsibility to learn from whatever responses you get; it is not the responsibility of the other members of the forum to hold your hand and lead you through the learning process, though if you stick around, I think you'll find that in their own way, that's what many of them are doing.

I couldn't respond any better then what is written above me /\

OP, this is the best advice that you will get from anyone!!!
These types of threads usually do far more damage than good. Start over and run away from this thread before you get a target on your back...:hug::

 

[jwbryson1]

"Allot" - "to assign as a share or portion" <allot 10 minutes for the speech>

"A lot" - "a large amount" <I have a lot of learning to do>

:banghead:

 

[Majeed Badizadegan]

Don't be discouraged. But don't be naive either. No one's going to hold your hand. No one's going to be nice to you just because you think they should be.

Just consistently strive to get better. Take what people have to say, no matter how they say it, and learn what you can from it.

Move on.

 

[MReid]

I mean well....but sometimes I just can't help my self .

I remember when I was first starting, I used to get hammered. But the reality of it is that the worse a hammering you take the faster you can grow if you take heed of the good advice you get.
The real trick is in figuring out how to filter the good advice from the bad.